Re: The irony of Anakin's dream
Originally posted by queeq
I don't know if this has been addressed before, but I kinda like the bitter irony of Anakin's dream in ROTS: he dreams of Padme dying and to stop that he joins the Dark Side, but because of that move he actually makes the dream come true.I thought this ties in nicely to Yoda's warnings to Luke in ESB: "Always in motion is the future."
In a way, what Anakin saw in his dreams was Padme's fate when he would turn to the Dark Side, but all he saw was her fate.
George said in The Making Of... that it was Padme that caused his turn to the Dark Side. In a way that is true, but only because Anakin is indeed too arrogant to deal with his premonitions properly. Maybe one can't blame him since his mother's death came about and seemed inevitable.
But I think now that it wasn't Padme, but Anakin wanting his own way with everything that caused his fall. Padme just made it come out, but it seems it was inevitable.Anyway, I thought that Anakin causing his own nightmare to come true was nice inr elationship to tthe way Yoda handles the subject in ESB. Obviously, the frog learned from it.
I agree it did tie in nicely! Very ironic indeed!
Isn't it ironic, doncha think? The whole falling in love bit did destroy their lives. Padme died because Anakin went to the dark side and it broke her heart. Anakin turned to the dark side to stop her from dying. It's like "The Gift of the Magi," where a man & wife sell things to buy gifts for the other, but both gifts were to be used with the things they sold.
We've always wanted to know Vader's motivation. It was kinda forseen in AOTC when Anakin said "I will learn to stop people from dying."
Those Skywalker men and their premonitions. I wonder why we actually saw one of them this time. I mean Luke had 'em when they were in the city in the clouds, Young anakin had a dream about freeing the slaves, padawan anakin about his mother. Does it have more impact to us the viewer seeing the premonitions?
I guess you don't have to be Force Sensitive to feel if there's still good in Vader. Either Padme was FS or she just knew, and telegraphed that to Baby Luke. And Leia picked up that Padme was beautiful, kind but sad. I don't know, a FS todder in the terrible twos would be a bit of a handful around the house!
Originally posted by chinabing
It's like "The Gift of the Magi," where a man & wife sell things to buy gifts for the other, but both gifts were to be used with the things they sold.
Yes in the end ol' geargy tied everything together. Whethere it be intentional or not.
Anakin saw padme's death because of something he was GOING to do. The something he was GOING to do was triggered by forseeing that. I guess as a Jedi when viewing into the future it doesn't have to be the direct future it can be alterations, to a variety of possibilitys.
Despite the dream it was Anakin's fault. HE was already headed down that road, the dream was just something for Palpatine to feed off of. Had he not had it there would of been other reasons to go to the dark side. Ultimatley it was his lust for power.
I would point out though that I would be wary of the LOTR Palantir analogy. There was nothing hazardous about the Palantirs themselves- but Denethor was being deliberately sent selective glimpses of a bad future in order to manipulate.
Anakin was not being sent those visions at all; he was genuinely seeing the future- it was his reactions to that that were being manipulated.
Originally posted by jedi-kev
As much as he was being payed Mr Chrystalmeth couldn't act that scene. His unconvincing cries for Natalie were embarassing for himself and fans everywhere. Gayden should actually get LucASS to get him a stunt double with super CG to play the role as him cos boy does his acting suck or what.
I sense an obsession with Chris-wathever... and everything is kind always gay with you...
Strange...