Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Losing to Great Kung Lao ain't no shame, as he's one of the best fighters in the series (same with Raiden).
It turns out Kung Lao has no weakness in his attacks and his blows are as fast as the wind. Just learned about it now.
Regardless, Tsung won several Mortal Kombat tournaments before that happened and as Bro SMASH pointed out, knows numerous different fighting styles. He wouldn't of gotten as far as he did if sorcery was his only strong suit. You're right though about Goro being a better physical fighter.
Shang Tsung was only a reigning MK champion when Shao Kahn taught him the black arts. He had to cheat in the previous MK tournament (at the time) to even get far.
Likewise, he easily beats Quan Chi back in the Armageddon intro (as well as Shujinko and others), and displayed good reacting timing in dodging Shao Khan's hammer & counter-attacking.
I don't know if I can consider it canon. Unlike the intros of Deadly Alliance and Deception, Armageddon's has little storyline. Also, it makes little sense.
Why is Scorpion running on the side of Quan Chi, who murdered his family and clan?
Why is Darrius and Dairou on the side of evil?
Why did Johnny Cage push Sonya off the pyramid?
How did all those characters form into groups of good and evil?
Then again, the whole MK storyline turned into complete shit when the game was released
Originally posted by quanchi112
How are his victories pis when he's been shown consistently as a great warrior and the champion of mk?
Shao Kahn has centuries of military and fighting experience and was the one who taught Shang Tsung his magic. Plus, he has superstrength and considerable speed. Liu Kand defeating him by himself is PIS as he's just a great martial artist who is around his late 20s.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Shang Tsung was only a reigning MK champion when Shao Kahn taught him the black arts. He had to cheat in the previous MK tournament (at the time) to even get far.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I don't know if I can consider it canon. Unlike the intros of Deadly Alliance and Deception, Armageddon's has little storyline. Also, it makes little sense.Why is Scorpion running on the side of Quan Chi, who murdered his family and clan?
Why is Darrius and Dairou on the side of evil?
Why did Johnny Cage push Sonya off the pyramid?
How did all those characters form into groups of good and evil?
Then again, the whole MK storyline turned into complete shit when the game was released
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaSo him winning all the tournaments in a one on one fight doesn't count because you think it doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can't just pick and choose what you accept and that you don't that itself is bias.
It turns out Kung Lao has no weakness in his attacks and his blows are as fast as the wind. Just learned about it now.Shang Tsung was only a reigning MK champion when Shao Kahn taught him the black arts. He had to cheat in the previous MK tournament (at the time) to even get far.
I don't know if I can consider it canon. Unlike the intros of Deadly Alliance and Deception, Armageddon's has little storyline. Also, it makes little sense.
Why is Scorpion running on the side of Quan Chi, who murdered his family and clan?
Why is Darrius and Dairou on the side of evil?
Why did Johnny Cage push Sonya off the pyramid?
How did all those characters form into groups of good and evil?
Then again, the whole MK storyline turned into complete shit when the game was released
Shao Kahn has centuries of military and fighting experience and was the one who taught Shang Tsung his magic. Plus, he has superstrength and considerable speed. Liu Kand defeating him by himself is PIS as he's just a great martial artist who is around his late 20s.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
How did he cheat?
Apparently, Tsung cheated in a MK match, and then he was sentenced to death by the judges, as MK was still sacred at the time. Shao Kahn saved him from the execution, in return for Tsung's allegiance & servitude.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
True, but even so, hardly see that as a reason to dismiss Tsung's feats there. At least he made use of his classic morphing ability (unlike in the Deception intro), by turning into Ermac and throwing Quan Chi off the pyramid with telekinesis, and Liu could only beat him by holding him down with his chains.
I dunno, he does have a point. That intro was really messed up.
While IMO, Shang Tsung probably did beat Quan Chi during the tournament, it's hard to say if that particular intro is canon.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThat was a melee where everyone was dogpiling each other trying to rush up the pyramid. Quanchi beat Shang Tsung down in deception when the two squared off against each other in one on one proving himself to be his superior.
Apparently, Tsung cheated in a MK match, and then he was sentenced to death by the judges, as MK was still sacred at the time. Shao Kahn saved him from the execution, in return for Tsung's allegiance & servitude.I dunno, he does have a point. That intro was really messed up.
While IMO, Shang Tsung probably did beat Quan Chi during the tournament, it's hard to say if that particular intro is canon.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Apparently, Tsung cheated in a MK match, and then he was sentenced to death by the judges, as MK was still sacred at the time. Shao Kahn saved him from the execution, in return for Tsung's allegiance & servitude.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I dunno, he does have a point. That intro was really messed up.
While IMO, Shang Tsung probably did beat Quan Chi during the tournament, it's hard to say if that particular intro is canon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was a melee where everyone was dogpiling each other trying to rush up the pyramid. Quanchi beat Shang Tsung down in deception when the two squared off against each other in one on one proving himself to be his superior.
edit: And Quan Chi even got beat by Jax somewhere around the beginning if I recall right. 😂
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Where/when in the series was this mentioned?I'm pretty sure the Armageddon intro occurred during the time Taven was fighting Daegon, and then Blaze, because Blaze talked about how all the kombatants would fight/betray each other for the "prize". Regardless, I can agree that a lot of the game's story made little sense. If everyone was going after Blaze at the top of the pyramid in the intro, you'd think Onaga would just fly up there from the start or somethin'.
It looked like Shang was holding back in the Deception intro though because he didn't use his morphing abilities, fire projectiles, and what not against Quan Chi like he did in the Armageddon one, where he went all-out with his powers against everyone.
edit: And Quan Chi even got beat by Jax somewhere around the beginning if I recall right. 😂
Read it on the MK wiki shrug
Notice the word "apparently" 😛?
Maybe it was in one of those comics or on an official website or something.
Agreed. Or maybe Onaga had no need for Blaze's power and was only in it for teh glory 313?
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeNo, he wasn't holding back he was simply beaten. Just because he doesn't use his morphing abilities that doesn't mean he is holding back. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Where/when in the series was this mentioned?I'm pretty sure the Armageddon intro occurred during the time Taven was fighting Daegon, and then Blaze, because Blaze talked about how all the kombatants would fight/betray each other for the "prize". Regardless, I can agree that a lot of the game's story made little sense. If everyone was going after Blaze at the top of the pyramid in the intro, you'd think Onaga would just fly up there from the start or somethin'.
It looked like Shang was holding back in the Deception intro though because he didn't use his morphing abilities, fire projectiles, and what not against Quan Chi like he did in the Armageddon one, where he went all-out with his powers against everyone.
edit: And Quan Chi even got beat by Jax somewhere around the beginning if I recall right. 😂
Shang caught him off guard while he was ermac iirc. He didn't defeated him either he simply knocked him off. Quan chi handily defeated him one on one.
Jax might have gotten in a move or two but was dealt with by Shao Kahn. Most of these characters weren't beaten anyways they were just landing shots against each other.
Quanchi is listed by the creators as the greatest sorcerer in mk. We have seen him crush Shang in battle to boot. Quanchi>Shang Tsung.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
edit: And Quan Chi even got beat by Jax somewhere around the beginning if I recall right. 😂
Quan Chi's gotten his ass handed to him more times than that. Elder Sub-Zero beat him. He was running scared from Scorpion as well.
His ending in Armageddon was pretty lulzy too. Turned into the very medallion he keeps. Priceless drylaugh
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Read it on the MK wiki shrug
Notice the word "apparently" 😛?
Maybe it was in one of those comics or on an official website or something.Agreed. Or maybe Onaga had no need for Blaze's power and was only in it for teh glory 313?
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't holding back he was simply beaten. Just because he doesn't use his morphing abilities that doesn't mean he is holding back. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Shang caught him off guard while he was ermac iirc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't defeated him either he simply knocked him off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quanchi is listed by the creators as the greatest sorcerer in mk.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Quan Chi's gotten his ass handed to him more times than that. Elder Sub-Zero beat him. He was running scared from Scorpion as well.His ending in Armageddon was pretty lulzy too. Turned into the very medallion he keeps. Priceless drylaugh
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Oh yeah, I remember that. 😆 To be fair though, he had a big disadvantage against Scorpion since they were in the Netherrealm.
True, but it's still lulzy nonetheless.
It's weird though. Quan Chi being said to be the strongest sorcerer in the Nether-realm, yet running scared from Scorpion in the Nether-realm because he was at a disadvantage. Was that ever explained?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So him winning all the tournaments in a one on one fight doesn't count because you think it doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can't just pick and choose what you accept and that you don't that itself is bias.
I said it's PIS. PIS is when a stronger character loses because of plot reasons.
Sephiroth not killing CLoud in Advent Children is PIS.
Wesker not killing Sheva and Chris during their fight is PIS.
The party escaping Exdeath's Void is PIS.
Ganondorf not killing Link in Wind Waker is PIS.
Wilhelm not getting Shion's pendant by himself and having his plans fail is PIS.
Goku defeating Broli is PIS.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixSo? Quanchi is more formidable than Sub Zero anyways and in hell Quanchi couldn't hurt him so that had a lot to do with it. Scorpion's powers were at their greatest where Quanchi's weren't. Iirc he killed Scorpion in hell once or twice he just kept coming back.
Quan Chi's gotten his ass handed to him more times than that. Elder Sub-Zero beat him. He was running scared from Scorpion as well.His ending in Armageddon was pretty lulzy too. Turned into the very medallion he keeps. Priceless drylaugh
So you want to take cheapshots at his ending which isn't canon? LULz. Quanchi broke Shang Tsung which is canon. He also along with Shang defeated everyone in their path and this was the only game where the bad guys triumphed all due to Quanchi.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeHe used his morphing ability to get the jump on Liu Kang and got crushed when he fought as Shang Tsung. He also fought as Shang Tsung against Raiden along with Quanchi. The point is just because he doesn't morph this doesn't mean he isn't fighting at his most effective.
Yeah, it might be in one of the comics.He used his morphing ability against Liu Kang and others in the past when backed into a corner. Why would he not do the same against Quan Chi, when it's one of his most powerful abilities? 😬 (aside from stealing souls) That fight was nonsensical.
'k, but he didn't catch Liu Kang off guard, and Shang still gave him trouble. The only way Liu was able to even do anything to him was by holding him down with his zombie chains, causing him to age rapidly. Also dodged Shao Khan's hammer.
That's close enough to being defeated, as he didn't make a comeback after being knocked off.
Proof? Doubt his sorcerer abilities are better than Shinnok's.
Oh yeah, I remember that. 😆 To be fair though, he had a big disadvantage against Scorpion since they were in the Netherrealm.
How was that fight nonsensical? It's 'canon either way so who cares. Shang's fought as himself before and been embarrassed by Liu Kang and fought as himself against Quanchi and was beaten.
Liu was in zombie mode and he still didn't defeat him. Liu caught him at the end before he could reach the top. Knocking someone down a pyramid isn't beating them it's taking advantage of the situation. When they faced off against one another in a fight Quanchi clearly won.
I believe vogel says it on quanchi's mk card. Can't recall which game this was included in but the creator backed this.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThey explained this but it's no surprise you are clueless when it comes to what happens in the games.
True, but it's still lulzy nonetheless.
It's weird though. Quan Chi being said to be the strongest sorcerer in the Nether-realm, yet running scared from Scorpion in the Nether-realm because he was at a disadvantage. Was that ever explained?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So? Quanchi is more formidable than Sub Zero anyways and in hell Quanchi couldn't hurt him so that had a lot to do with it. Scorpion's powers were at their greatest where Quanchi's weren't. Iirc he killed Scorpion in hell once or twice he just kept coming back.
So? Quan Chi still got his ass handed to him by Sub-Zero, and Quan Chi's never beaten Sub-Zero.
Oh, so suddenly now that your character is on the wrong end of things, circumstances matter? Haha.
Quan Chi was still scared of Scorpion. End of story.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to take cheapshots at his ending which isn't canon? LULz. Quanchi broke Shang Tsung which is canon. He also along with Shang defeated everyone in their path and this was the only game where the bad guys triumphed all due to Quanchi.
I was just joking around with R_P 😐. Not my fault if you consider every single joke against your favourites as a cheap-shot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They explained this but it's no surprise you are clueless when it comes to what happens in the games.
*spring trap card*
Now you know how I feel when I debate with you and you have no idea what you are talking about...which is pretty much all the time doped
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThat Sub Zero died, right? Quanchi has won and then defeated Shang his partner while Sub has been long gone.
So? Quan Chi still got his ass handed to him by Sub-Zero, and Quan Chi's never beaten Sub-Zero.
Oh, so suddenly now that your character is on the wrong end of things, circumstances matter? Haha.
Quan Chi was still scared of Scorpion. End of story.I was just joking around with R_P 😐. Not my fault if you consider every single joke against your favourites as a cheap-shot.
*spring trap card*
Now you know how I feel when I debate with you and you have no idea what you are talking about...which is pretty much all the time doped
We were talking about Shang Tsung not Sub Zero anyways. Of course you want to switch the subject because I was right. Quanchi couldn't kill Scorpion in there so why wouldn't he fear him there? Seriously, why not?
It's in your nature to moan when you are losing a debate.
No, I am always right whereas you haven't been right one time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That Sub Zero died, right? Quanchi has won and then defeated Shang his partner while Sub has been long gone.We were talking about Shang Tsung not Sub Zero anyways. Of course you want to switch the subject because I was right. Quanchi couldn't kill Scorpion in there so why wouldn't he fear him there? Seriously, why not?
It's in your nature to moan when you are losing a debate.
No, I am always right whereas you haven't been right one time.
Yeah, Older Sub-Zero died. Was Quan Chi the one who killed him though? Nahh, Quan Chi never killed him, or beat him in a fight for that matter. Instead, Older Sub-Zero pwned Quan Chi. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything.
No, we were talking about Ryu vs. Liu Kang. Shang Tsung came up, which progressed to Quan Chi vs. Shang Tsung, and finally we were discussing Quan Chi, or rather, making fun of him; as we typically do to some MK characters.
It was never Shang Tsung. Shouldn't even be Shang Tsung, when the thread concerns Liu Kang & Ryu.
Try again though, I doubt you'll pick it up the second time, but hey, there's an old saying "3rd time's the charm." Though in your case, it'll probably be "50th time's the charm."
Besides, I don't really care much for Shang Tsung, but I do recognize when a loss was PIS, unlike yourself.
Lulz? I moan when I'm losing a debate? I've debated against others including R_P, and I never cried when they would pwn me.
You on the other hand, make up stuff that is beyond crap. You then try to switch your point around when someone refutes that craptacular point, despite the new one being almost as useless as the old one.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixIt's not relevant to Quan vs. Shang so who cares. Quan lived on while Sub died.
Yeah, Older Sub-Zero died. Was Quan Chi the one who killed him though? Nahh, Quan Chi never killed him, or beat him in a fight for that matter. Instead, Older Sub-Zero pwned Quan Chi. Cry about it all you want, it won't change anything.No, we were talking about Ryu vs. Liu Kang. Shang Tsung came up, which progressed to Quan Chi vs. Shang Tsung, and finally we were discussing Quan Chi, or rather, making fun of him; as we typically do to some MK characters.
It was never Shang Tsung. Shouldn't even be Shang Tsung, when the thread concerns Liu Kang & Ryu.Try again though, I doubt you'll pick it up the second time, but hey, there's an old saying "3rd time's the charm." Though in your case, it'll probably be "50th time's the charm."
Besides, I don't really care much for Shang Tsung, but I do recognize when a loss was PIS, unlike yourself.Lulz? I moan when I'm losing a debate? I've debated against others including R_P, and I never cried when they would pwn me.
You on the other hand, make up stuff that is beyond crap. You then try to switch your point around when someone refutes that craptacular point, despite the new one being almost as useless as the old one.
So you agree Quan is greater than Shang? I could care less what fictional characters you mock to make yourself feel better.
No, you dismiss what you don't like. It's called picking and choosing the way of the bias.
I guess you are used to losing debates on here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So? Quanchi is more formidable than Sub Zero anyways
1:03 - 2:50
Granted, Sareena made the finishing blow as Subzero was winning.
Quan Chi himself later admits in Scorpion's MK4 ending that in order to defeat his nemesis Subzero, he needed the power of a specter. Elder Subzero died at the hands of Scorpion, but that doesn't make Quan himself more formidable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
and in hell Quanchi couldn't hurt him so that had a lot to do with it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Iirc he killed Scorpion in hell once or twice he just kept coming back.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He used his morphing ability to get the jump on Liu Kang and got crushed when he fought as Shang Tsung. He also fought as Shang Tsung against Raiden along with Quanchi. The point is just because he doesn't morph this doesn't mean he isn't fighting at his most effective.How was that fight nonsensical? It's 'canon either way so who cares. Shang's fought as himself before and been embarrassed by Liu Kang and fought as himself against Quanchi and was beaten.
Liu was in zombie mode and he still didn't defeat him. Liu caught him at the end before he could reach the top. Knocking someone down a pyramid isn't beating them it's taking advantage of the situation. When they faced off against one another in a fight Quanchi clearly won.
I believe vogel says it on quanchi's mk card. Can't recall which game this was included in but the creator backed this.
How was it not nonsensical? All Quan Chi did basically was choke Shang Tsung, and he was declared beaten. Then Tsung got back up when Quan started attacking Onaga as if he never got beat. That doesn't really spell defeated.
Liu didn't land a single punch or kick on Tsung in the MKA intro, either.
Vogel isn't the creator; Ed Boon is. And he said it in a rather opinionated way, not a factual way.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeHe needed help to get rid of him so it's not a feat shared By sub alone. Nice job destroying your case.
His defeat at the hands of Subzero says otherwise.1:03 - 2:50
Granted, Sareena made the finishing blow as Subzero was winning.
Quan Chi himself later admits in Scorpion's MK4 ending that in order to defeat his nemesis Subzero, he needed the power of a specter. Elder Subzero died at the hands of Scorpion, but that doesn't make Quan himself more formidable.Netherrealm = hell in the MK universe.
This was never stated in the games or anywhere. 😬 Either way, in the end, he needed Moloch and Drahmin to get away from Scorpion.
Morphing into other characters allows Tsung to use their special moves in addition to his own, thus fighting more effectively.
How was it not nonsensical? All Quan Chi did basically was choke Shang Tsung, and he was declared beaten. Then Tsung got back up when Quan started attacking Onaga as if he never got beat. That doesn't really spell defeated.
Liu didn't land a single punch or kick on Tsung in the MKA intro, either.
Vogel isn't the creator; Ed Boon is. And he said it in a rather opinionated way, not a factual way.
Yes, Quan is much more formidable and his actions/feats say as much. He evaded and defeated Scorpion but due to him not being able to stay dead even avoided being defeated in hell. Sub needed help to defeat Quan once and died shortly thereafter which leads me to believe without help can't do so. Quan getting someone else to do things for him also is in character as he pulls strings and has others do his work for him. Think.
I know hence I use the terms interchangeably. Try and keep up.
I believe it's stated in the gameplay mode in deadly alliance where you find he defeated scorpion into a pit or something yet he kept coming back.
He needed help because Scorpion is stronger there and kept coming for him after he was defeated.
No, fighting as other characters doesn't mean he fights more effectively it means he is more versatile. Effectiveness and versatility are two different things.
Quanchi defeated him and the narration even said so. He later recovered which only meant he didn't kill him but instead soundly defeated him. I am right yet again and you want to dismiss what you don't like making you biased yet again.
Liu prevented him from reaching his destination and neither was defeated so in the end Shang failed yet again.
Vogel works on the games so now his opinion doesn't count? Boon never disagreed so this is another case of you dismissing what you don't like. I have facts and the creators backing me up while you don't.
Quanchi defeated Shang Tsung in combat.