A little more information..taken from the following link..
Regardless of the origin of the phenomenon, the subjective experience of NDEs is well-documented, and follows certain patterns:It is generally accepted that some people who reported NDEs were shown to be clinically dead,sometimes longer than a day.
However, it is not shown that the experiences themselves took place in any time other than just before the clinical death, or in the process of being revived. In altered states of consciousness such as this and during dream states or under the influence of drugs, the subjective perception of time is often dilated.
Those who report NDEs typically respond by a major change of life perspective and direction, generally away from self-orientation toward outward orientation, or what they call a more loving life. The NDE is reported by some to feel "more real than life"[2] (http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/NDE/nde_research.htm). Some former atheists have adopted a more spiritual view of life after NDEs[3] (http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/01-04/01-31-04/c04rg223.htm) (see for example Howard Storm and George Rodonaia below).
Those who report NDEs typically look forward to death, but despise suicide.
The similarities amongst the experiences of the many documented cases may simply show that the pathology of the brain during the dying and reviving process is more or less the same in all humans, as written by Russian specialist Dr. Vladimir Negovsky in Clinical Death As Seen by Reanimator.
Pretty interesting article..if you have some time..I'd suggest reading the entire thing.
Originally posted by Tex
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.htmlWow. I guess this signals the beginning of the end for the major religions. You'll be able to experience death for 3 hours and be revived without a scratch.
This should put an end to the whole life after death nonsense.
But of course the devout believers will say that "god knew that you were only playing scientifically dead and he knew not to send you to hell just yet". 😂
What preposterous ridiculousness! To suggest that someone who has been clinically brain dead for longer than a day would wake up with out suffering any serious brain damage is extremely laughable! schmoll They obviously were not scientifically brain dead. It happens alot actually. The doctor will check your pulse and breathing and if there is none your declared clinically dead. 99% of the time they wont check for brain activity.
What these scientists are doing is completely new. They will scientifically kill you for several hours and ensure that the brain is actually dead. Not near death but dead.
People's perceptions and experiences during NDE's run the gauntlet. People report seeing Jesus and the devil, demons and departed loved ones; a tunnel of light or fire, and others report experiencing nothing.
A dying brain haywire's and discharges all of its neurological pulses before it completely dies. That's what people experience, its like being on drugs. Once the brain is completely dead perception of every kind ceases to exist, forever.
yeah I know Tex...
If they are brought back to life with an electric shock, that would only get the heart moving. The circulation might awaken all the vital organs, and breathing might occur. Now, that would send oxygen into the brain. But because of the brain damage from the electric shock, that means that there's a good chance they will have no sense of memory, etc. It's like wiping out your harddrive...you'll probably have to raise the "dead" person from scratch.
I've seen a few NDE and out of body experinces that are pretty hard to explain.I know one hostpital puts words above their beds just to see if people claiming out of body experinces will see the word.To this day no one that has had an out of body experince has seen this wordsl.However,one woman had the out of body experince while in surgey and told the story of the whole operation from out of her body.
I think with NDE we need to find out how the phenomonon (? spell check!) effects people world wide.If people in China are seeing Jesus and the devil or at least seeing something close to what most the western world sees,their might be something to it.However,if their seeing religous images from their own culture it might a cultural thing.
Endless ranting I make!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People see Jesus and they say he looks exactly like his pictures. Problem is no one knows what the real Jesus looked like.
The real Jesus would not look like the Jesus in your illustrated bible. Hence you're not seeing the real Jesus.
Out of body experiences are fairly common. Majority of the times they're not even related to near death experiences. People wake up and the feel that they're glued head first onto the ceiling. They can zoom in on objects and see things completely out of their field of vision. It's really freaky and unexplained. But again, usually not related to NDE's.
NDE's can trigger out of body experiences which is why many people believe out of body experiences/near death experiences are results of a hay wiring brain. 🤪
Originally posted by Tex
What preposterous ridiculousness! To suggest that someone who has been clinically brain dead for longer than a day would wake up with out suffering any serious brain damage is extremely laughable!What these scientists are doing is completely new. They will scientifically kill you for several hours and ensure that the brain is actually dead. Not near death but dead.
People have NDE's while brain dead
People's perceptions and experiences during NDE's run the gauntlet. People report seeing Jesus and the devil, demons and departed loved ones; a tunnel of light or fire, and others report experiencing nothing.A dying brain haywire's and discharges all of its neurological pulses before it completely dies. That's what people experience, its like being on drugs. Once the brain is completely dead perception of every kind ceases to exist, forever.
Those are just opinions..not facts. Very speculative ones at that. Anyway..they still don't explain why people of different cultures/backgrounds experience the same types of visions.
Originally posted by Tex
People see Jesus and they say he looks exactly like his pictures. Problem is no one knows what the real Jesus looked like.The real Jesus would not look like the Jesus in your illustrated bible. Hence you're not seeing the real Jesus.
I think the after life is really different than anyone could imagine. Just like was stated that people see a illustrated picture of Jesus, others see what their faith is. People see angels, people they know, and people have reported seeing a multitude of things. I read about a boy that saw an animal heaven..I think the after life is dimensional..and having unlimited power of our creative mind and our spirit/essence/energy..we can created what we want to see and experience..we can enter into any type dimension we want...It would be the ultimate playground.
Anyway..that's my view on it.
Originally posted by Tex
lol: That's your scientific proof?
Shameless stunt to sell more Pam Reynolds CD's. 🙄
HYPOTHERMIC CARDIAC ARREST
SUSPENDED ANIMATION -- SURGERY'S FRONTIER:
Man cooled to near-death for 'impossible' brain operation
By Elisabeth Rosenthal
----------------------------------(Reprinted from the Science page of The New York Times of November 13, 1990.)
The operating room at the Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center was alive with the sounds and lights of high-technology medical equipment. At the center of the commotion last Wednesday lay a 24-year-old patient, already rendered unconscious by anesthesia and about to lose even the vestige of brain activity as surgeons prepared to stop his blood flow and cool his brain to a limbo just short of death. The operation offered the only chance of repairing a straw-thin blood vessel near the center of his brain that had ballooned to the size of a golf ball and was pressing lethally on vital brain centers.
The novel and risky operation about to begin would push at the frontiers of brain surgery as well as at the limits of the human body's tolerance. Two brain surgeons, a cardiac surgery team, three anesthesiologists and more than two dozen nurses and technicians crowded around the tiny operating table.
The din was overwhelming. A heart monitor emitted rhythmic bleeps, a respirator whooshed, the bone drill droned a high pitched squeal as it carved a three-inch hole in the right side of the patient's skull.
"Let's start cooling," Dr. Robert A. Solomon, the neurosurgeon in charge, said as he finished clearing out a two-inch deep crater over the bulging vessel. The patient, Donald Rogers Jr. of Kansas City, Kansas, was then attached to a cardiac bypass machine which cooled his blood.
As his body temperature fell, the colors on monitors slowly ebbed and the room grew silent. At 86 degrees the rippling brain waves on the EEG monitor calmed and his heart rate slowed to a mere 50 beats a minute. With each degree the temperature dropped, his heart dragged more: at 80 degrees, 40 beats; at 75, 30. At 72 degrees it seemed to shiver, then abruptly stopped, a normal physiologic response to cold. The image on the television screen went limp.
Clicking and whirring, the bypass machine took over circulation. At 60 degrees, Dr. Craig R. Smith, the cardiac surgeon charged with masterminding the body's blood flow, signaled the start of a trip to the netherworld of consciousness. "Everybody ready?" he asked as Dr. Solomon resumed his seat over the hole in the head. "All right. Bypass off. Circulatory arrest. Let's drain."
The blood halted its habitual pumping course through the young man's arteries. It drained to a still pool in a sterile chamber on the floor. The lines on the monitors fell ominously flat.For the next half hour, Donald Rogers was an inanimate object, a patient in limbo, not measurably alive, but not quite dead either.
Suspended animation, a staple of science fiction, is now being used at a few hospitals to allow surgeons to operate on certain badly deformed blood vessels that cannot be repaired while full of blood. These deformities, known as aneurysms, are places where weak spots puff out from the wall of the blood vessels of the brain.
When the puffs are small and accessible, surgeons can fix them while the blood is flowing. But when the aneurysms are large and lie deep within the brain, like Mr. Rogers', the coursing blood makes repair work too dangerous. A neurosurgeon in Kansas City, Mo., had given Mr. Rogers a 10 percent chance of survival using conventional anesthesia.
"With normal blood pressure, operating on a giant aneurysm is like operating on a balloon," Dr. Solomon said. "It's tense and fragile and once you break it, the patient is lost.
"But with no circulation and no blood pressure, the situation is much better. The vessels collapse and become soft and manageable."
The notion that the body can survive without circulation at very low temperatures arose from cases in which children who have lost consciousness in very cold water have been revive after hours of submersion. When the body is cooled, it needs much less energy, and the brain can survive longer without oxygen.
The goal of the aneurysm operation is to cheat death for minutes, allowing surgeons time to complete the delicate operation. At a body temperature of 60 degrees, almost 40 degrees below normal, the brain can survive an hour before damage.
LIMITS OF BODY'S ENDURANCE
"We are pushing the limits of the human body's tolerance," said Dr. Eric Raps, a neurologist who is studying the effects of the procedure on patients. "I've seen this a number of times and it's always amazing stuff."
It is at best a risky move, reserved only "for the direst of cases," said Dr. Young. Less than half a dozen hospitals use the technique, known as hypothermic arrest, for brain surgery.
Hypothermic Cardiac Arrest..or "suspended animation" is nothing new. The scientests mentioned in your initial post incorporatated essentially the same procedure with the dogs that was used on Ms. Reynolds and on many others. Those put in "suspended animation" are never deemed to be completely dead, but instead...near dead.
Originally posted by Tex
A dying brain is likely to die the same way in everyone. Meaning that most people will experience similar perceptions accompanied by individually unique images.
Medical Support for NDEIn acute myocardial infarction the duration of cardiac arrest (VF) on the CCU is usually 60-120 seconds, on the cardiac ward 2-5 minutes, and in out-of-hospital arrest it usually exceeds 5-10 minutes. Only during threshold testing of internal defibrillators or during electro physiologic stimulation studies will the duration of cardiac arrest hardly exceed 30-60 seconds.
From these studies we know that in our prospective study of patients that have been clinically dead (VF on the ECG) no electric activity of the cortex of the brain (flat EEG) must have been possible, but also the abolition of brain stem activity like the loss of the corneareflex, fixed dilated pupils and the loss of the gag reflex is a clinical finding in those patients.
However, patients with an NDE can report a clear consciousness, in which cognitive functioning, emotion, sense of identity, and memory from early childhood was possible, as well as perception from a position out and above their “dead” body. Because of the sometimes reported and verifiable out-of -body experiences, like the case of the dentures reported in our study, we know that the NDE must happen during the period of unconsciousness, and not in the first or last second of this period.
So we have to conclude that NDE in our study was experienced during a transient functional loss of all functions of the cortex and of the brainstem. It is important to mention that there is a well documented report of a patient with constant registration of the EEG during cerebral surgery for an gigantic cerebral aneurysm at the base of the brain, operated with a body temperature between 10 and 15 degrees, she was put on the heart-lung machine, with VF, with all blood drained from her head, with a flat line EEG, with clicking devices in both ears, with eyes taped shut, and this patient experienced an NDE with an out-of-body experience, and all details she perceived and heard could later be verified.
Originally posted by Tex
😂 That's your scientific proof?
Shameless stunt to sell more Pam Reynolds CD's. 🙄A dying brain is likely to die the same way in everyone. Meaning that most people will experience similar perceptions accompanied by individually unique images.
well according to the Science of Good and Evil by Michael Shermer their are over 6 million (or biliion) different brain types based on genetics,lifestlyle,etc.All of this effects are thought process.But with all the different brain types,it's pretty amazing NDE is as common as it is.The same with Deja vu.