Originally posted by Dinalfos
Those feats are, ofcourse, impressive. I'd like to see some of them in context, thougth scans. But I wonder how many of them were done with strength alone. Because either Thor is lying when he says things like "is there no limit to the beast's strength" and such or Thor's comic books make him look stronger than he is. Sure, you can say that those times that Thor got a beating from Hulk were jobbing or PIS, but that would be too easy. For all we know, Thor's own books are full of fan pleasing crap, which is what Soujaboy says about Hulk's comics.I believe Hulk can archieve those Thor feats that require strength only. There is really no reason he can't.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Lifted a 13,170,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pound creature, thats
5670 quintillion ponds(earths weight).
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Punched a hole through a dimension or Universe
Originally posted by Soujaboy
throw the earth out of orbit in a arm wrestling match.
BTW, Herc and Thor never actually moved the Earth.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Stopped a galaxy destroying blast
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Single handedly defeated a Celestial
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Pushed the world machine
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Threw the twilight sword through Celestial armor
Thor's feats are impressive, yes, but Hulk's are greater imo. Mind you, though, I never believed that Hulk was the most powerful, just physically the strongest.
Originally posted by Accel
Hulk punched an asteroid twice the size of Earth in half.Hulk shook the multiverse with a few blows.
Hulk singlehandedly punched the Earth from orbit.
BTW, Herc and Thor never actually moved the Earth.
Hulk redirected a universe-destroying blast with a thunderclap.
Hulk destroyed the Flame of Life, something that could withstand attacks from Celestial.
Hulk pushed apart the matter-antimatter force, which is supposedly equivalent to that of a neutron star.
Hulk broke Onslaught's armor (something neither Thor nor the X-men nor the Avengers could even scratch).
Thor's feats are impressive, yes, but Hulk's are greater imo. Mind you, though, I never believed that Hulk was the most powerful, just physically the strongest.
"Hulk punched an asteroid twice the size of Earth in half."
Punching something and lifting something are two different things.
"Hulk singlehandedly punched the Earth from orbit.
BTW, Herc and Thor never actually moved the Earth."
How is throwing it out of orbit not moving it?
Basically the same thing Thor did
"Hulk destroyed the Flame of Life, something that could withstand attacks from Celestials."
Defeating a Celestial is a totally different feat
"Hulk pushed apart the matter-antimatter force, which is supposedly equivalent to that of a neutron star."
lol, Thor creates and plays with anti matter
"Hulk broke Onslaught's armor (something neither Thor nor the X-men nor the Avengers could even scratch)."
Onslaught let hulk break his armor.
When it came down to life and death between who was stronger, Thor won with one arm.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
"Hulk punched an asteroid twice the size of Earth in half."Punching something and lifting something are two different things.
"Hulk singlehandedly punched the Earth from orbit.
BTW, Herc and Thor never actually moved the Earth."
How is throwing it out of orbit not moving it?
Basically the same thing Thor did
"Hulk destroyed the Flame of Life, something that could withstand attacks from Celestials."
Defeating a Celestial is a totally different feat
"Hulk pushed apart the matter-antimatter force, which is supposedly equivalent to that of a neutron star."
lol, Thor creates and plays with anti matter
"Hulk broke Onslaught's armor (something neither Thor nor the X-men nor the Avengers could even scratch)."
Onslaught let hulk break his armor.
When it came down to life and death between who was stronger, Thor won with one arm.
Thor and Herc generated enough pressure to move the planet from its orbit, but they never actually did.
Defeating a Celestial is easier when you have a nifty hammer with loads of powers. i'm only referring to purely strength feats.
Thor creates anti-matter particles from his hammer. Again, totally different feat and mostly due to the hammer.
Onslaught let Hulk brak his armor, but that doesn't change the fact that NO one else, including Thor, could even put a scrath on it.
So who do you think controls the hammer? Do you think that Captain America can stand behind Mjolnir and control the anti matter effect it makes? no, because he's not physically strong enough to control the power it unleashes.
I could probably punch and injure a fat guy, but that doesn't mean I can lift him.
Anyways comics have already stated that Thor has enough strength in his punch to destroy planets.
If you from enough pressure to move something, that means your moving it. It doesn't just continue to sit there if you have already formed the energy to move it.
Tell me what happened to all of Hulks superior strength when Thor killed Thing and him with one arm?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
So who do you think controls the hammer? Do you think that Captain America can stand behind Mjolnir and control the anti matter effect it makes? no, because he's not physically strong enough to control the power it unleashes.I could probably punch and injure a fat guy, but that doesn't mean I can lift him.
Anyways comics have already stated that Thor has enough strength in his punch to destroy planets.
If you from enough pressure to move something, that means your moving it. It doesn't just continue to sit there if you have already formed the energy to move it.
Tell me what happened to all of Hulks superior strength when Thor killed Thing and him with one arm?
You could injure a fat guy by punching him, but how far vould you move him? Try lifting your maximum weight and then try to move that same weight by punching it and tell me which is harder. Also, you have to keep in mind that Hulk not only did himself (Thor was doing his thing with Herc), but he would have to have been moving the planet out of the gravity keeping it in orbit.
Comics say a lot of things, although I believe Thor ahs the power to destroy planets (we'e seen Beta Ray Bill do it). Like you said before, several characters have unlimited strength, but Hulk actually lives up to that status and has more impressive strength feats than any body (and feats are what we go by here).
The narration of the armwrestling match said Thor and Hercules was generating enough force to move the planet, but they never ACTUALLY moved the planet.
I still doubt Hulk was actually killed in his fight against King Thor. Hulk can't die the way he was pictured there, not even by King Thor. However, he CAN be knocked out and that's what I believe really happened there.
Actually no, if you read The Mighty Thor v2 you know that Thor was responsible for the death of everyone on the planet. That was Hulk's death right there, and according to Hulk fans he can't be ko'd while he's enraged.
Hulk lives up to his status because he's in every comic from point a to point z. Tell me a comic Hulk hasn't made an appearance.
I really don't understand what your saying. How can you be generating enough force to move something, but not actually have the ability to do it or not be doing it at all? thats like saying im generating enough force to knock this lineman on his behind, but im not actually doing it?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Actually no, if you read The Mighty Thor v2 you know that Thor was responsible for the death of everyone on the planet. That was Hulk's death right there, and according to Hulk fans he can't be ko'd while he's enraged.Hulk lives up to his status because he's in every comic from point a to point z. Tell me a comic Hulk hasn't made an appearance.
I really don't understand what your saying. How can you be generating enough force to move something, but not actually have the ability to do it or not be doing it at all? thats like saying im generating enough force to knock this lineman on his behind, but im not actually doing it?
Hulk is popular, yes, but he hardly appears in anything nowadays. Heck, the comics the he does appear in, he serves as a plot device- someone for the hero of the comic to fight if the writer can't come up with any thing else. I believe you're thinking more of Wolverine or Superman though. Besides, this really has nothing to do with the debate at hand.
They were generating the force necessary to knock the planet out, but they didn't do it is what I'm saying. Notice how the comic ends without the planet flying out of its orbit.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
How was he not responsible? Thats the only time in a comic that Thor has wanted to actually kill Hulk and guess what, he did. I don't know how he did it, but he did it with his bare "hand".So there go's "Hulk is the strongest one there is", just because he says it doesn't make it true.
Hulk saying he's the strongest doesn't make it true, but he's proved it dozens of times.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
And Thor only once proved that it isn't.Thor has also not been enraged like he was at that point. He wanted to kill Hulk, so he did. He didn't do it before because Hulk was in some way shape or form, his friend.
It's not the fact that Thor holds back that I believe he shouldn't have killed Hulk, I just don't believe he should have been able to do it THAT way. We've seen Hulk regeerate from a skeleton twice, as well as atoms on one occasion, and we've seen him take damage like that wihtout even flinching. Now we see him die by having someone impale him and we jsut accept it? Unless Thor somehow took away Hulk's healing factor, Hulk would have healed from the damage there. There's no evidence to suggest otherwise.
If your mind receives a sufficent shock from your system, you snap and die of shock. Even if Hulk could regenerate from an impalement that massive, his brain would have already ceased functioning. He'd just be a brain-dead vegetable on the ground.
We're edging back towards this idea Hulk can't be killed by anything, he heals from anything even atoms blah blah...
Hulk has to get so many props by Marvel for his strength. When you are a solo act and have just one power, you get hyped as being better at it than anyone else. Characters like Thing and Colossus don't have to be considered the strongest, because they are part of a team dynamic who work together. Characters like Thor, Superman, Thanos, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer etc. are well-rounded because they are great at many things. Someone like the Flash is only super-fast - so, he has to be the fastest man alive or he has nothing to brag about.
Because Hulk has such a limited attack, Marvel has to make that attack seem to conpensate for other characters who have multiple powers. Even though logically, it shouldn't.
Originally posted by Accel
Hulk punched an asteroid twice the size of Earth in half.Hulk shook the multiverse with a few blows.
Hulk singlehandedly punched the Earth from orbit.
BTW, Herc and Thor never actually moved the Earth.
Hulk redirected a universe-destroying blast with a thunderclap.
Hulk destroyed the Flame of Life, something that could withstand attacks from Celestials.
Hulk pushed apart the matter-antimatter force, which is supposedly equivalent to that of a neutron star.
Hulk broke Onslaught's armor (something neither Thor nor the X-men nor the Avengers could even scratch).
Thor's feats are impressive, yes, but Hulk's are greater imo. Mind you, though, I never believed that Hulk was the most powerful, just physically the strongest.
put that on the supes vs mindless hulk thread.
Originally posted by roughrider
If your mind receives a sufficent shock from your system, you snap and die of shock. Even if Hulk could regenerate from an impalement that massive, his brain would have already ceased functioning. He'd just be a brain-dead vegetable on the ground.
We're edging back towards this idea Hulk can't be killed by anything, he heals from anything even atoms blah blah...
Originally posted by roughrider
Hulk has to get so many props by Marvel for his strength. When you are a solo act and have just one power, you get hyped as being better at it than anyone else. Characters like Thing and Colossus don't have to be considered the strongest, because they are part of a team dynamic who work together. Characters like Thor, Superman, Thanos, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer etc. are well-rounded because they are great at many things. Someone like the Flash is only super-fast - so, he has to be the fastest man alive or he has nothing to brag about.
Because Hulk has such a limited attack, Marvel has to make that attack seem to conpensate for other characters who have multiple powers. Even though logically, it shouldn't.
Originally posted by Accel
Hulk can be killed, but it is a LOT harder than simply impaling him. hulk's healing factor has regrown his brain stems when they were snapped, healed his neck when it was broken, etc. This is part of his power set, I don't see why it's so hard to accept he can't die that way.So... are you saying that Hulk is only the strongest because Marvel made him that way?
No he's saying that since Hulk only has one thinh going for him, Marvel trys to make it seem like he's the best at that one thing.