Why does God make some people suffer so much?

Originally posted by markie
You on one of these threads that you do believe in God. What kind of god do you believe in? Sometimes your posts indicate that you are an athiest and I don't think you are, One time it looked like a muslim post when you said adam and eve were spiritual beinngs that fell. The muslems think they were created in heaven and fell to earth. I get confused over what you believe. How did you come up with the concluusion that they were created in heaven? Do you think mohammed was a prophet?

What do I believe??? I have my own heretic beliefs...I do believe there is a God/Spirit or Intelligent Nature or something...I think we are part of that something...I think everything is part of it..I think it can communicate with us by many means...I believe you can access it for performing healings and such...I think It wants to help us because we are Part of it. ...I believe that we are also part of the creative process. Much of what I think is based on Wave theory quantum physics..and Spirituality. I don't believe in a punishing God.

I think that Many of the Bible stories are Allegorical, Like the Adam and Eve Story.

Originally posted by debbiejo
What do I believe??? I have my own heretic beliefs...I do believe there is a God/Spirit or Intelligent Nature or something...I think we are part of that something...I think everything is part of it..I think it can communicate with us by many means...I believe you can access it for performing healings and such...I think It wants to help us because we are Part of it. ...I believe that we are also part of the creative process. Much of what I think is based on Wave theory quantum physics..and Spirituality. I don't believe in a punishing God.

I think that Many of the Bible stories are Allegorical, Like the Adam and Eve Story.

Hmmm, if he isn't in animals, then I doubt he would be in plants, although as the convetional approach seems to be that God is everything, I see no reason why if he exists he is not in some way part of animals, plants etc, just in a different way from his "chosen"

I believe that God is in every single thing that is created...everything is alive, everything as vibrations and energy to some extent...That's aliveness... And that's what we given from "The One."

so at the weekends I drink god in each sip of beer?

Originally posted by finti
so at the weekends I drink god in each sip of beer?

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Well yeah...in a way..parts..

Originally posted by WindDancer
I see people making other people suffer. God? I don't think so. Maybe people should really stop blammning the deity and start accepting their own mistakes. But we're talking about humans so good luck with that.

Originally posted by finti
if god hates sin and is all powerful why dont god rid this earht of sin then?

what god?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
God is a metaphore or personification of ''good'' and Devil is a metaphore or personification of ''evil''

People think that good will always prevail and is better than evil, thus, they see God as creator of everything and more powerful than devil, because of such.

If there is a god, or gods, i highly doubt they are involved in individuals personal life. Its human egocentric nature to believe that such supreme being (if in existance) would care about every single thing he/she does.

If what the Bible says is true--which we're going to assume as long as we're talking about God's motives--then God is involved in our personal lives and cares what happens to us. He sent His son to live with us, to die for us, and to bear the weight of our sins so that we may have everlasting life. Why would God do such a thing if He didn't care what happened to us?

Originally posted by finti
if god hates sin and is all powerful why dont god rid this earht of sin then?

Well, well I almost did not believe my eyes. And if God did get rid of all evil and sin right now you will be the first to jump up and say : But how could God be so evil and unloving for killing innocent people just because they chose not to believe in him!!!" Ooops, sorry you won't be around to complain.

Well, well I almost did not believe my eyes. And if God did get rid of all evil and sin right now you will be the first to jump up and say : But how could God be so evil and unloving for killing innocent people just because they chose not to believe in him!!!" Ooops, sorry you won't be around to complain.

Originally posted by sonnet
Well, well I almost did not believe my eyes. And if God did get rid of all evil and sin right now you will be the first to jump up and say : But how could God be so evil and unloving for killing innocent people just because they chose not to believe in him!!!" Ooops, sorry you won't be around to complain.

If he gave some sort of proof that he existed. Indubitable, incorruptible proof, well, I am sure alot of those people who didn't believe would begin to do so. But then supposedly something like this happened before, with Noah. Of course then it is harder to understand.

It was a long time before Jesus, so who at that time spread God's "word"? Technically those never do wells he was so angry with didn't have a chance to realise their mistake and so forth. And besides, God is said to be all powerful, so why can't he get rid of evil and sin without death?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I disagree with the metaphor about Satan being the personification of 'evil'. If anything, Satan is the personification of purity defiled, of power corrupted, of haughtiness driven low.

If what the Bible says is true--which we're going to assume as long as we're talking about God's motives--then God is involved in our personal lives and cares what happens to us. He sent His son to live with us, to die for us, and to bear the weight of our sins so that we may have everlasting life. Why would God do such a thing if He didn't care what happened to us?

Yet he also sent many other prophets, or if he didnt he let them freely develop religions.

He also, according to Torah/Bible/Quran expect us to pick the right religion through faith.

That seems like a very sloppy way to run a universe, to me.

I believe he does so, so we can choose him at the end.

Satan was in paradise, but did he really know better? Kinda like a spoiled child, he had everything, and didn't know the value of it.

God created Eden, another paradise. But why have the same thing happen again that happened in heaven itself? There might of been a meaning to that snake in the garden, that makes us like we are today. We choose him by how we act and treat people, and most importantly, if we love him.

I usually say to people who try so hard to ignore God's existene: If I'm wrong, nothing worse will happen, If you're right, nothing better will happen.

Regardless God wouldn't put us through things we coudn't handle, I definitely know that from experiecne.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I believe he does so, so we can choose him at the end.

Satan was in paradise, but did he really know better? Kinda like a spoiled child, he had everything, and didn't know the value of it.

God created Eden, another paradise. But why have the same thing happen again that happened in heaven itself? There might of been a meaning to that snake in the garden, that makes us like we are today. We choose him by how we act and treat people, and most importantly, if we love him.

I usually say to people who try so hard to ignore God's existene: If I'm wrong, nothing worse will happen, If you're right, nothing better will happen.

Regardless God wouldn't put us through things we coudn't handle, I definitely know that from experiecne.

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On point as usual C...

It's all about the word choice...

I used this analogy before and I think it applies here.

If you have a dog then it is your property and as long as you have it in a cage or in the house or on a leash it is not free it is controlled.

If you decide that you want to give the dog freedom then that means that you have given it the CHOICE to do whatever it wants. If it runs away and you chase it then you have not truly freed it, its ability to choose was an illusion.

However, if it is truly free then there is the possibility that it may do things that you don't want it to do and your beloved dog may even get itself killed. It may possibly become so wild that it forgets how much you love it and snap at you while you try to feed it.

If it simply stays at home then you can continue to love and care for it the way you did before and you will both be happy. But if it's free you can only hope that it does this, you can not force it to.

How much sense would it make for the dog to run wild, ignoring all your calls for it to come home, snap at you when you get near, and then think to itself when it's starving and lost, "why does my master allow me to suffer so much?"

None at all

And it's just a loose analogy because we are far more important to God than a dog would be to any human.

We have a free will and we ALL know good from evil, we don't have to be tought it.

So are we caused to suffer or do we find suffering as a consequence of the choices people make?

its like a test. but dont think for 1 second that god just sits up their laughing at us while we are suffering. it is someting he has to do. everyone suffers. whether they show it or not. everyone has gone through something that tests their faith. and thats how it is determined who makes it into heaven. how we deal with those tests of faith. and also, satan plays a little part. he tries to make you do something, and god sees this, but in testing your faith, he lets you decide what you're gonna do. its crazy stuff.

Tests test test....does school ever finish??????? I want to graduate

no, school never finishes. you graduate when you die. pretty sad to think about, ain't it

Originally posted by The MISTER
On point as usual C...

It's all about the word choice...

I used this analogy before and I think it applies here.

If you have a dog then it is your property and as long as you have it in a cage or in the house or on a leash it is not free it is controlled.

If you decide that you want to give the dog freedom then that means that you have given it the CHOICE to do whatever it wants. If it runs away and you chase it then you have not truly freed it, its ability to choose was an illusion.

However, if it is truly free then there is the possibility that it may do things that you don't want it to do and your beloved dog may even get itself killed. It may possibly become so wild that it forgets how much you love it and snap at you while you try to feed it.

If it simply stays at home then you can continue to love and care for it the way you did before and you will both be happy. But if it's free you can only hope that it does this, you can not force it to.

How much sense would it make for the dog to run wild, ignoring all your calls for it to come home, snap at you when you get near, and then think to itself when it's starving and lost, "why does my master allow me to suffer so much?"

None at all

And it's just a loose analogy because we are far more important to God than a dog would be to any human.

We have a free will and we ALL know good from evil, we don't have to be tought it.

So are we caused to suffer or do we find suffering as a consequence of the choices people make?

Also, if you had a robot make up your bed, then it would mean nothing.
If you had a sister make your bed and clean your room for you without being asked, or your daughter, out of kindness. It means so much more...

Originally posted by debbiejo
A ture God would offer free will without strings.

I think debbiejo got it here.....

If a God existed, he'd offer free will without condemning people for using it.

but thats like going through school without ever having homework or any work. its just being there so you graduate?? you have homework and tough test's, just like life. hows god gonna know who to put in heaven, if everyone just coasts through life?

Because there is no hell....It's an invention of man....there are no tests for eternity....only for life and what you can learn from it, to make you and the world a better place (heaven on earth, heaven within), then by your mistakes you CAN LEARN SOMETHING.....