Infinite Empire and Yuuzhan Vong vs Galactic Empire and Trade Confederation

Started by Darth_Glentract3 pages

Originally posted by Fishy
If I remember right it was more along the lines of 50 billion but lets say 10 anyways...

10 billion force users... One X-wing blew up the Death Star, you have seen Obi and Yoda kill Clone troopers as if it was nothing. The Infinite Empire would do the same. Their ships may take time to build but not a lot and its not like they enter this war with no ships.... They start out with possibly a million of them. They charge their ships with the force so every soldier was a force user and a reasonably powerful one at that.

Nothing would stand a chance, troops are not important when it comes to fighting that. Its going to be a lot harder to shoot down a fighter piloted by a force user then it is going to be when you want to shoot down a normal fighter. Their ships will eventually just adopt to ramming the opponent while the Rakatan sit back and watch the massacre take place.

Every time a battle has to be fought they will use the force to win it. Imagine a billion force users working together creating a powerful lighting storm. The entire fleet of the enemy would be electrocuted. The shields of the second Death Star would be easily taken down by a small strike team. A few force users would easily move through those storm troopers. Then a few pilots would arrive in their fighters (thats all they would need) race towards the Death Star and blow the thing to pieces,with luck they could retreat if they are out of luck they are ****ed. And BTW they can use their fighters can fly in hyperspace. At least I assume so, Kotor says that they used the force to use hyperspace. However their big ships have hyperspace engines. So either they made their ships fly even faster with the force, or Revan changed the blueprints or their fighters can fly in hyperspace.

Whatever the case the Infinite Empire would not need a lot of troops to blow the two death stars and the Imperial fleets. The Yuuzhan Vong would slaughter the trade federation.

It's 10 billion. Quote Wikipedia, "At its height, the population of this empire was ten billion Rakata and one trillion slaves." Beyond this, the average militaristic nation, has a ratio of approximatly 1 in every 150 people in their nation sevring in the military. Look at the Romans for example. They were once one of the most militaristic nations and had about that ratio.

They had no lightsabers back then and it is unreasonable to compare their average warrior to Obi-wan or Yoda. A few of the Jedi on the Council were killed by only a few clones.

You say they might have a million ships at the start of the war. Not likly. In fact, proaticly impossible. They only had 500 planets at the height of the Infinite Empire. The Galatic Empire had over a million member worlds. Qoute Wikipedia, "It consisted of over one million member worlds and fifty million colonies, protectorates and governorships."

There were no X-wings back then and there were not any proton torpedos either. They have no way of destroying the Death Star.

A major fact that you apparently overlooked is that Republic ships from for thousand years before the Galatic Empire were able to wage a relativly effective war against Rakata Ships. Think of how technology has improved over the last four thousand years in our society. We've gone from Canoes to Aircraft Carriers. Rakata are screwed.

For the Yuuzhan Vong, Luke said that he regretted destroying the Galaxy Gun because it would have been able to destroy the World Ships. Those were the core of the Yuuzhan Vong Navy.

The Sun Crusher could destroy the Star that the Star Forge was orbiting or it could engage fighters one-on-one. Since its invunerable to them, their screwed even more.

World Devastators could do what the Star Forge does on a smaller scale. The thing is, World Devastators are mobile.

Darth Vader, Palpatine, Joruus, Thrawn, Mara Jade, Shira Bride, Jerec, many Royal Guards are force users that are relativly powerful.

The Infinite Empire is screwed.

Dont know much about Infinite Empire, but I know they were force-users and they built the Star Forge and the Empire built the Death Star's but I think the Star Forge wins.

Death Star has a weapon that can destroy a planet. Their fleet is unmatched and unequal to any other.

GE and TF troops cant shoot the broad side of a barn the Yuuzhan Vong are 2 aggressive and they wold get desimated cuz of stupidity and the infinate empire would collapse on itsself leaving the GE and TF troops trying to shoot a barn

I have decided to show off some of the Imperial MIGHT!!!!

From Darhorse comics, I present the Greatsword Star Destroyer.

Greatsword Star Destroyer

Craft: Loronar Corporation Greatsword-class Star Destroyer
Type: Command/Battleship
Scale: Capital
Length: 6900m
Skill: Capital Ship Piloting: Greatsword
Crew: 124, 415 gunners: 1355, skeleton: 10,000/+10
Crew skill: Astrogation 4D, Capital Ship Piloting 4D+2, Capital Ship Gunnery 5D,
Capital Ship Shields 5D, Sensors 4D+2
Passengers: 17,500
Cargo Capacity: 45,000 metric tons
Consumables: 6 years
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Backup Hyperdrive: x14
Nav Computer: yes
Maneuverability: 1D
Space: 5
Hull: 8D
Shields: 6D
Sensors:
Passive: 50/2D+1
Scan: 100/3D+2
Search: 250/5D
Focus: 10/6D
Small Craft:
144 TIEs
12 shuttles (usually 8 Lambda-class, 2 Sentinel-class, 2 Assault Shuttles)
12 landing barges
24 drop ships
Weapons: (Note: the parenthesized figures are for the battery firing mode)
500 Turbolaser Cannons (125 Batteries)*
Fire Arc: 140 (35) front, 140 (35) left, 140 (35) right, 40 (10) back
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 4D (2D)
Range: 3-15/35/75
Atmosphere: 6-30/70/150km
Damage: 4D (7D)
360 Heavy Turbolaser Cannons (80 Batteries)*
Fire Arc: 120 (30) front, 80 (20) left, 80 (20) right, 40 (10) back
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D (0D)
Range: 5-20/40/60
Atmosphere: 10-40/80/120km
Damage: 7D (10D)
120 Ion Cannons (30 Batteries)*
Fire Arc: 40 (10) front, 40 (10) left, 40 (10) right
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D (1D)
Range: 1-10/25/50
Atmosphere: 2-20/50/100km
Damage: 4D (7D)
20 Tractor Beams
Fire Arc: 5 front, 6 left, 6 right, 3 back
Crew: 2
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range: 1-5/15/30
Atmosphere: 2-10/30/60km
Damage: 6D
100 Concussion Missile Launchers
Fire Arc: 30 front, 25 left, 25 right, 20 back
Crew: 1
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range: 2-12/30/60
Atmosphere: 4-24/30/120km
Damage: 9D

* the gunnery system allows each cluster to be fired as a battery OR as individual guns only per round, not both in a single round.

Here is some more on the Tarkin Battle Station.

The Tarkin

Craft: Custom Ionic Cannon Mobile Space Platform
Type: Deep space mobile battle station
Scale: Death Star
Length: 30 kilometers
Skill: Battle station piloting: Tarkin
Crew: 30,000, gunners: 10,000, skeleton 10,000/+15
Passengers: 100,000 (troops), 5,000 (stormtroopers), 10,000 (support staff)
Cargo Capacity: over two hundred thousand kilotons
Consumables: 1 year
Cost: yeah, right, like you could afford it
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x3
Hyperdrive Backup: x20
Nav Computer: Yes
Space: 2
Hull: 5D
Shields: 4D
Sensors:
Passive: 250/0D
Scan: 1000/1D
Search: 5000/2D+2
Focus: 40/4D
Weapons:
Superlaser
Fire Arc: Forward
Crew: 168, skeleton 48/+10
Scale: Death Star
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery: superlaser
Body: 12D (capital scale)
Space Range: 1-20/40/100
Damage: 2D to 16D*
500 Turbolaser Batteries
Scale: Starfighter
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-5/10/15
Damage: 5D
500 Heavy Turbolasers
Scale: Starfighter
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-7/15/30
Damage: 7D
250 Laser Cannons
Scale: Capital
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-5/10/15
Damage: 7D
250 Ion Cannons
Scale: Capital
Fire Control: 1D
Space Range: 1-3/7/10
Damage: 4D
100 Tractor Beam Emplacements
Scale: Capital
Fire Control: 3D
Space Range: 1-5/10/25
Damage: 5D
* The Tarkin's power systems can generate 2D of damage per half hour, up to a maximum of 16D damage. However, the energy cells in the design can produce 32D per day without severely straining the energy reactors.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It's 10 billion. Quote Wikipedia, "At its height, the population of this empire was ten billion Rakata and one trillion slaves." Beyond this, the average militaristic nation, has a ratio of approximatly 1 in every 150 people in their nation sevring in the military. Look at the Romans for example. They were once one of the most militaristic nations and had about that ratio.

They had no lightsabers back then and it is unreasonable to compare their average warrior to Obi-wan or Yoda. A few of the Jedi on the Council were killed by only a few clones.

You say they might have a million ships at the start of the war. Not likly. In fact, proaticly impossible. They only had 500 planets at the height of the Infinite Empire. The Galatic Empire had over a million member worlds. Qoute Wikipedia, "It consisted of over one million member worlds and fifty million colonies, protectorates and governorships."

There were no X-wings back then and there were not any proton torpedos either. They have no way of destroying the Death Star.

A major fact that you apparently overlooked is that Republic ships from for thousand years before the Galatic Empire were able to wage a relativly effective war against Rakata Ships. Think of how technology has improved over the last four thousand years in our society. We've gone from Canoes to Aircraft Carriers. Rakata are screwed.

For the Yuuzhan Vong, Luke said that he regretted destroying the Galaxy Gun because it would have been able to destroy the World Ships. Those were the core of the Yuuzhan Vong Navy.

The Sun Crusher could destroy the Star that the Star Forge was orbiting or it could engage fighters one-on-one. Since its invunerable to them, their screwed even more.

World Devastators could do what the Star Forge does on a smaller scale. The thing is, World Devastators are mobile.

Darth Vader, Palpatine, Joruus, Thrawn, Mara Jade, Shira Bride, Jerec, many Royal Guards are force users that are relativly powerful.

The Infinite Empire is screwed.

Wikipedia isn't always right... But I won't argue about those people anymore.

No lightsabers? Your big point is? Who cares about that, they won't need to deflect bullets their millions of troops will walk over the enemy.

No X-wings? Again your big point is? They have other fighters, other fighters that can do exactly the same thing. And will actually, oh and they will do it faster then the Rebel alliance did.

Technology? Do you even realise that the Rakatan were around about 25.000 years before Kotor... Thats 25.000 years, their technology still surpassed that of the Republic during the time of Kotor. Another four thousand years probably wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also don't forget their energy shields, the Empire and the Trade Federation don't have things like that. STill the Rakatan would use them and be able to walk up to the Imperials easily.

Now another thing about those force users...

Who gives a shit, even if one of them was more powerful then the most powerful Rakatan which I doubt actually even then the Rakatan would heavily outnumber them and easily destroy them.

And the fight isn't the NJO republic now is it, why are you bringing people from that time into it.

But a billion dark side users (remember they were evil!), and the Vong didn't hide from the Empire, they just preferred a weaker enemy, sounds a bit cleverer than going straight for the empire that.

Nobodys stands a chance against the Infinite Empire.

That's true, they the Rakatan also completely enslaved planets, the Empire couldn't completely do that to the wookies, but because the Infinite empire had the force they could.

Billions of force users (Millions for Glentract) have a tendency of doing that.

Da empire and da CIS

How the hell would they win? Have you read the thread?

First of all, does the Empire or the CIS know where the location of the Star Forge is? If they dont, then the Infinite Empire would win through attrition. The Empire would only have so many resources, as their planets of production would probably be captured or destroyed by the Vong, after the Vong deal with the CIS, of course. The Empire would be too busy defending Corusant from the Infinite Fleet, while the CIS are being massacred by the Vong. Thats how I see it.

Even if they did, with the shields still in tact (and they would stay in tact... No squad of storm troopers would manage to break through those defences) their fleet would just fall to the ground and crash on a planet. The shields of the Star Forge were made to destroy entire fleets, they would do so succesfully against the Imperial fleet. The Death Star may be the only chance they have of destroying the Star Forge, if it would not be affected by the power of the Star Forge shields (very possible if its range is long enough) it could still be brought down however. The Rakatan have fighters and force users, they would destroy the thing quicly.

Da empire has da death star

They have the Galaxy Gun which(I dont remember which one) Luke says could hace destroyed most of the Yuuzhan Vong force by it self in only a few weeks.

Sun Crusher. The Star Forge is not moveable apparently. The Sun Crusher could destroy the star it is hovering over.

The Rakata only controlled 500 planets at their height. The Empire had over a million member planets. They just have too much nurmerical supeority.

A fleet of world devastators could out produce the star forge.

Notice how the six hundred year old Dreadnoughts have more firepower than the Rakata flagship. How the Imperial Star Destroyer can produce more energy in its reactor than a star.(Therefore, you could say that each Imprial Star Ddestroyer is better than the Star Forge.

Also, proton torpedos hadn't been invented yet. They had proton bombs, but the were over two meter s wide and thus would be unable to destroy the death star.

Like I said in my post, if the shields are still in tact it might not even reach it, if it does have the range however it would take time for it to begin firing. Keep in mind that force users could easily blow that thing up, and the Rakatan were powerful force users. Yes if the thing would get one shot then the Star Forge would be gone. But I don't think it will get that one shot.

Empire forever!

And the whole thing about finding the star forge, the empire couldn't. It took Revan to find it before, i doubt Vader would be as quick, until then the star forge would crack capitol ships like nothing, and yes, the death star could destroy them, but eventually it would be over whelmed.