Exar Kun and Darth Revan (post KOTOR) vs Yoda and Mace Windu

Started by Nai Fohl4 pages

Well...actualy I think this would be a hard fight.

I always here people say that X will crush Y with his force power. Please. To kill somebody with your force powers you have to be MUCH more powerful than your opponent or posess much more force knowledge. That isn't the case here.

What Exar did with Vodo is a nonissue here. Vodo didn't want to kill Exar. And Yoda is said to be the most powerful Jedi Master ever (except NJO Luke) with Mace coming close to him when it comes to lightsaber fighting.

This fight would be a lightsaber fight. So what do we have ? The probably best Jedi lightsaber fighter ever (Yoda) + the second best lightsaber duelist the order ever had (Mace created his own form when he was 12 or 13 years old and in ROTS times he might even have surpassed Dooku) VS Revan (probably the second best Sith lightsaber duelist - Tulak Hord is the greatest) and Exar Kun (he is a "better" version of Darth Maul).

I'd say Mace and Yoda both are able to beat Exar in a lightsaber duel.
Exar is arrogant, acts without thinking and you can probably get him to do something stupid. Yoda is fast as hell, almost impossible to hit (a mixer aimed with a lightsaber) and Mace has all advantages on his side (Vaapad, Shatterpoint).

Post KOTOR Revan might be able to kill Yoda as well as Mace. Still both would give him a run for his money and I guess Mace or Yoda faceing Revan would still last longer than Exar against Mace or Yoda. So in the end there would be Mace + Yoda vs Revan with Revan getting killed. Jedi win.

Actually Yoda is the 3rd best. 1st place tied with Plo Koon and Mace Windu.

Exar would have taken on the whole republic army if all his people didn't die. Exar would have taken either one of them. Jedi are less powerful and told more lies about themselves. Plus the Jedi are mercuful, so if one kneel and drop their lightsaber, the Jedi would stop fighting and get stabbed in the back by the lightsaber that the Sith was levitating.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well...actualy I think this would be a hard fight.

I always here people say that X will crush Y with his force power. Please. To kill somebody with your force powers you have to be MUCH more powerful than your opponent or posess much more force knowledge. That isn't the case here.

What Exar did with Vodo is a nonissue here. Vodo didn't want to kill Exar. And Yoda is said to be the most powerful Jedi Master ever (except NJO Luke) with Mace coming close to him when it comes to lightsaber fighting.

This fight would be a lightsaber fight. So what do we have ? The probably best Jedi lightsaber fighter ever (Yoda) + the second best lightsaber duelist the order ever had (Mace created his own form when he was 12 or 13 years old and in ROTS times he might even have surpassed Dooku) VS Revan (probably the second best Sith lightsaber duelist - Tulak Hord is the greatest) and Exar Kun (he is a "better" version of Darth Maul).

I'd say Mace and Yoda both are able to beat Exar in a lightsaber duel.
Exar is arrogant, acts without thinking and you can probably get him to do something stupid. Yoda is fast as hell, almost impossible to hit (a mixer aimed with a lightsaber) and Mace has all advantages on his side (Vaapad, Shatterpoint).

Post KOTOR Revan might be able to kill Yoda as well as Mace. Still both would give him a run for his money and I guess Mace or Yoda faceing Revan would still last longer than Exar against Mace or Yoda. So in the end there would be Mace + Yoda vs Revan with Revan getting killed. Jedi win.

Here we go:

Exar is not just a better version of Maul. He is a better version of Mace. Mace made his own form. Cool. But what he does is he channels dar side and light side energy together. And since almost all ancient Sith were avid followers of Dun Moch, I believe that Kun could probably get Mace to go into one of his rage attacks and get killed. And then it's two no one, in favor of the Sith.

Exar invented his own weapon Mace invented his own style both are great...

Exar killed hundreds of Jedi managed to freeze an entire room filled with humans and Jedi and god knows what else, Exar is far better then Mace.

Originally posted by Fishy
Exar invented his own weapon Mace invented his own style both are great...

Exar killed hundreds of Jedi managed to freeze an entire room filled with humans and Jedi and god knows what else, Exar is far better then Mace.

Far better. As i said, "He would have taken the whole republic, but he stopped because all his people died"

Originally posted by Fishy
Exar invented his own weapon Mace invented his own style both are great...

Exar killed hundreds of Jedi managed to freeze an entire room filled with humans and Jedi and god knows what else, Exar is far better then Mace.

Did Exar actually freeze the Senate? I was led to believe that no one in the Senate would confont him out of fear, not that he froze everybody present.

Also I was told he drained the race before the army that came to get him arrived, not that he fought them off long enough to hide?

Originally posted by Apex512
Did Exar actually freeze the Senate? I was led to believe that no one in the Senate would confont him out of fear, not that he froze everybody present.

Also I was told he drained the race before the army that came to get him arrived, not that he fought them off long enough to hide?

He never said he killed the Jedi sent capture him at the end. He meant overall.

I know that I just mean in general about Exar, that was something else I wanted to know.

here is some info on Exar people:

Exar was an exceptional duelling master.
He also was able to freeze the entire (which had jedi that were in the building) with one spell and then resuce his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it. This jedi master was also very similar to Yoda and been training for 600 years, also remember that the jedi master was training during the height or war in the republic so he knew battle better than Yoda did.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years.
And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something.
Exar also studied alot, he was fasinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma.
Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. He drained their life force and used it to prolong his life.

His apprentice, Ulic, was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.
He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew.
Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He also designed his own unique style of duelling, something that he never tought to anyone and was lost after his defeat. So nobody other than him and Ulic had any idea what to expect from him (everyone else he faced ended up dead)
He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.
Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun. Naga was also a dark lord of the sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.

About Exar being defeated by 12 people, only 2 which had lightsabers, might I add that one of those people was Luke Skywalker, another was Kun's old master, a 4000 year old jedi master. Also, I think its impressive that it took 12 jedi combined, 2 of which were masters, to defeat Kun's ionized air particles.

Think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive.

When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side eminating from his body.

Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. Also, since few people had never seen a double bladed sabre, it would throw them off. He can move his lightsaber so quickly that almost anyone he faced would be sliced before he knew what was going on.

Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage.

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
here is some info on Exar people:

Exar was an exceptional duelling master.
He also was able to freeze the entire (which had jedi that were in the building) with one spell and then resuce his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it. This jedi master was also very similar to Yoda and been training for 600 years, also remember that the jedi master was training during the height or war in the republic so he knew battle better than Yoda did.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years.
And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something.
Exar also studied alot, he was fasinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma.
Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. He drained their life force and used it to prolong his life.

His apprentice, Ulic, was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.
He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew.
Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He also designed his own unique style of duelling, something that he never tought to anyone and was lost after his defeat. So nobody other than him and Ulic had any idea what to expect from him (everyone else he faced ended up dead)
He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.
Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun. Naga was also a dark lord of the sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.

About Exar being defeated by 12 people, only 2 which had lightsabers, might I add that one of those people was Luke Skywalker, another was Kun's old master, a 4000 year old jedi master. Also, I think its impressive that it took 12 jedi combined, 2 of which were masters, to defeat Kun's ionized air particles.

Think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive.

When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side eminating from his body.

Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. Also, since few people had never seen a double bladed sabre, it would throw them off. He can move his lightsaber so quickly that almost anyone he faced would be sliced before he knew what was going on.

Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage.

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Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
here is some info on Exar people:

Exar was an exceptional duelling master.
He also was able to freeze the entire (which had jedi that were in the building) with one spell and then resuce his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it. This jedi master was also very similar to Yoda and been training for 600 years, also remember that the jedi master was training during the height or war in the republic so he knew battle better than Yoda did.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years.
And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something.
Exar also studied alot, he was fasinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma.
Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. He drained their life force and used it to prolong his life.

His apprentice, Ulic, was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.
He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew.
Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He also designed his own unique style of duelling, something that he never tought to anyone and was lost after his defeat. So nobody other than him and Ulic had any idea what to expect from him (everyone else he faced ended up dead)
He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.
Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun. Naga was also a dark lord of the sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.

About Exar being defeated by 12 people, only 2 which had lightsabers, might I add that one of those people was Luke Skywalker, another was Kun's old master, a 4000 year old jedi master. Also, I think its impressive that it took 12 jedi combined, 2 of which were masters, to defeat Kun's ionized air particles.

Think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive.

When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side eminating from his body.

Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. Also, since few people had never seen a double bladed sabre, it would throw them off. He can move his lightsaber so quickly that almost anyone he faced would be sliced before he knew what was going on.

Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage.

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First off....

Not to be rude PloKoonFanatic, but please tell me that you were kidding when you said Plo Koon was best along with Mace. You probably were so i won't get into that.

Secondly, the Sith would win; the Jedi don't stand much of a chance. Of course, Mace Windu and Yoda are two of the most powerful Masters to grace the Order. But Revan and Exar, they're two of the most powerful Sith Lords to ever live, both bringing the Republic to its knees.

I highly doubt that Mace Windu (however cool and skilled with a lightsaber he is) could handle either of these Sith. In the Yoda vs. Revan thread, Revan won over the mighty Jedi Master. And I believe that Exar Kun is more powerful than Revan, but that is debatable. So, in either matchup, Mace vs. Revan and Yoda vs. Kun, or Mace vs. Kun and Yoda vs. Revan, I think the Sith would come out on top. the Jedi would put up a good fight, but they'd fall to the Sith Lords' superior power. I think Darkstar supported this nicely.

I agree. It's settled. Odds in favor of Sith. Sith win. Unless a novel comes out tomorrow signed and illustrated by GL himself showing Yoda and Mace Windu beating the hell out of Marka Ragnos and Tulak Hord, this one is sealed.

Like that would change anything. We know jack about both of those characters anyway.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I agree. It's settled. Odds in favor of Sith. Sith win. Unless a novel comes out tomorrow signed and illustrated by GL himself showing Yoda and Mace Windu beating the hell out of Marka Ragnos and Tulak Hord, this one is sealed.

That would bring a tear to my eye...

Know jack about who now?

Hord and Ragnos, I believe.

Well, Hord's reputation, and the context in which we get it should be enough. He was the greatest of all the Sith duellists. This is from someone who is in the best position to know things... Kreia, who researches Malachor V, Korriban, and other sources. Kreia, who lived in the Golden Age of the Sith. She probably knew Exar Kun.

And Ragnos has been defended heavily since this forum began... The guy ruled for a century and then some without ever losing power, on a planet that included Sith like Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow, the latter of which used enhanced battle meditation and chucked star cores at naval fleets. Even in death, neither Naga, Ludo, nor even Exar Kun would mess with his ionized air particles. That just drips of power.