classic herc v superman: slugfest

Originally posted by yahman
'And in this one not only they exercited enough force to push that planet (not earth) ou of orbit. They totally destroyed the mountain plateu '
Yeh but you can't even see this. If the narrator didn't say it you wouldn't know.
This and the mathatan incident are the only noteable feats that Herc has performed.

JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Once again it dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon System.
In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propelled a massive space station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter (the length of the cylinder, judging by the depiction, had to have been about 2500 miles ) by pushing against it. The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural resources gleaned from an entire solar system. A hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). He had to exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with the stresses of hyperspace unprotected.

JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time. Later, he produces static electricity sufficient to be "corralled" by Green Lantern John Stewart into containing the black hole. Superman then launches the black hole into a neighboring wormhole.

Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a full throttle countermeasure in resistance Supermans push. We can see WarWorlds engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorlds surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorlds; engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed.

"This and the mathatan incident are the only noteable feats that Herc has performed. "

And never getting beat by Thor or Hulk. And getting multiple hammer shots in the back of his neck and not getting knocked out or bleeding. And tossing huge skycrafts into orbit without using his full strenght. Getting eyebemed by cosmic beings and still alive. And knocking down Terminus alone (yes the guy that was punking the Jla in Jla/avengers), ripping his armor and letting him to die in the savage land.

He also separated Continents before. And held the heavens alone. This is canon Myth. Durability: Got "shot" by the sould gem by Warlock and won the bout noneless.

"JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time"

Supes didnt held a black hole. It held a small portion of that nature before the hole was released.

"Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld"

Doesnt count. He could never do it in his regular levels. Keep in mind that a Amped "beyond Godhood" herc (by the hight evelutionary) when released his whole energy it was used to give birth to a cosmic being.
( heard it was a Celestial but cant confirm ).

"Yeh but you can't even see this. If the narrator didn't say it you wouldn't know."

Thats why the narration is there. To tell us what is happening while the reader has the atention on the main stars of the story.

"Superman Earth Steelers and JLA #77 showed feats that are knows as latent manifestations of Pre-Crisis powers."

Doesnt surprise me. Wasent that the last big Superman story that Curt Swan the Pre crisis superman artist was involved?

'Superman Earth Steelers and JLA #77 showed feats that are knows as latent manifestations of Pre-Crisis powers.'

Is that something you made up yourself or something that is included in the story

'And never getting beat by Thor or Hulk. And getting multiple hammer shots in the back of his neck and not getting knocked out or bleeding. And tossing huge sky crafts into orbit without using his full strength. Getting eyebemed by cosmic beings and still alive. And knocking down Terminus alone (yes the guy that was punking the Jla in Jla/avengers), ripping his armor and letting him to die in the savage land.'

He also separated Continents before. And held the heavens alone. This is canon Myth. Durability: Got "shot" by the should gem by Warlock and won the bout none less. '

😉 Dude i apologies. I'll admit there was a hidden agenda behind the my original point. I wanted to have someone point out what was wrong with those feats, and i want to know more about Herc displays of power.

I've noticed that if you ask a straight forward question you rarely get it answered.

Sorry dudes if i have offended anyone

No offense at all. Its not the first time someone tells me he thinks Herc doesnt have that much feats. He does. just in less quantity in- comic books- because he doesnt have four titles. Not even one sometimes.

Myth its another story. Theres no guy with a better rep than his. Against Gods included.

And the "helding a portion of an artificial Hole" is a nice feat. Just not the same as you know Supes flying into deep space and actually- holding- a black hole.

'And the "holding a portion of an artificial Hole" is a nice feat. Just not the same as you know Supes flying into deep space and actually- holding- a black hole.'

There is nothing in the universe that weighs as much as a black hole (except Galaxies and sh!* like that)

Aren't they infinitely small aswell

Im not the aknowloged with Black Holes but they are said to be the most destructive ( or one of the most ) of the universe.

Now someone holding it or catching it ? I know this is comics and it didnt happened in that Superman issue but i sure hope i never see someone do that.

Comics are already out of reality too much.

'Im not the aknowloged with Black Holes but they are said to be the most destructive ( or one of the most ) of the universe.

Now someone holding it or catching it ? I know this is comics and it didnt happened in that Superman issue but i sure hope i never see someone do that.

Comics are already out of reality too much.'

😎 Good shout dude.

Stuff like playing Cricket with blackholes should be performed by Cosmic beings only !!!!!!!!

It probably should be a feat to far for them

There must be some realism !!!!!!!!!!

From my oppinion the real top class heavyweights shouldn't be moving stuff beyond the size of mountains.

I mean with strength like that you can send people sized objects flying at top Mach speeds without any trouble. Objects like Buses and planes can be Thrown thousands maybe millions of miles!!!!

Exactly. Classes exist for that. Leave the high cosmic feats for cosmic beings. Thats theyr due.

All we need is for Marvel and D.C. comics to aknowledge our Posts 😄

I still reckon that the top tier Marvel characters should perform more feats to end the debate as to where they stand against there D.C. counter parts

(I think you agree as i think i've had this conversation with you before)

sorry mann if im boring u with my repetitive bull shit 🙁

nahhh. Dc will always have more feats. marvel will always have them struggle more for the fact they like them more "human".

But both top tiers are in the same class.