Saberfighting forms... aren't some useless?

Thank You Human Vader, I apprecaite that. I agree with those statments. I wish that those scenes were all longer, I mean some of fights were just too short anyway... like the fight between Dooku and Anakin... wasn't that just a little too quick especailly for someone like Dooku to have fallen so easily, and in the fight between Yoda and Palps it was like the skipped a whole scene when at one point they were dueling with sabre's then at the next Palps was tossen those pods at Yoda... I was like WTF???
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Exactly, just trying to bring up fairly interesting threads for people to discuss ya know. It's getting harder and harder to come up with threads that aren't totally fuking rediculous. I had a thought about jedi forms, and figured maybe people would want to discuss. If ya don't like it, then don't post. Simple...

Aren't there a bunch of jedi who only learned saber-to-blaster techniques because of the times?

I am not sure..., but that would make alot of since, but not all enemys (even though most) use blasters. And who knows I geuss the force guided master Windu in his decision, or any others

Obi wans style is basically a blaster blocking style is it not? Form 3 I believe. It's a purely defensive form, good for defending against a saber, or defending against blaster fire. I would imagine that is what Qui gons is aswell. Although i'm not an expert in saber forms by a long shot.

It seems to me that all jedi's of those times would be training in a similiar style. Saber to saber styles, or dark side styles just don't seem that useful in the last 1000 years or so. Or so it seemed...

Apparently Qui-gon used the standard saber style and Obi-wan switched to defensive because of Qui-gon's fate.

Does the Forms explain the reason for this -

Anakin > Dooku > Obi-wan =/> Anakin

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Anakin technically should have owned Obi-wan or is it just because a master knows his apprentice... or because george Lucas Screwed up... Or I'm just stupid

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The reason why Dooku (and presumably a few others) study obsolete fighting styles is to preserve them. Even if the style doesn't have much value these days, it should still be kept alive. Knowledge should never be thrown away completly.

Even in these days, some people train with swords and other ancient weapons so that the knowledge won't be lost.

Originally posted by Shirotakahashi
Does the Forms explain the reason for this -

Anakin > Dooku > Obi-wan =/> Anakin

starwars

Anakin technically should have owned Obi-wan or is it just because a master knows his apprentice... or because george Lucas Screwed up... Or I'm just stupid

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That sounds about right man. I just like Anakin (THE 'CHARACTER' not Hayden C., he isn't a good actor) more than Obi-wan. (Ewan McGregor freaking rules though) I just thought that Anakin looked like a bad ass when he went Sith Style!

Anakin vs. Obi-wan - starwars

Anakin is just unlucky I geuss...

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Thanks for enlightening me.

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Originally posted by Vanquish
Example a) Mace Windu is a form VII specialist, which took it one step further and developed Vapaad right? When he was training and developing that style, who is he training to fight? There are no Siths or Dark force users at the time of his training from padawan to Master. So why would he be training in that style? Wouldn't someone redirect him to another form that is more useful to the Jedi's at the time?

Vaapad is based on using the Shatterpoint of a opponent to overwhelm him. So it's very much designed to face every opponent not only dark force users.
And Juyo (basic form VII) also is not that bad. Just take a look at the KOTOR II manual. It's very good vs single opponents (only form IV is better), its good vs multiple opponents (only form I is better), it's as good vs people with a lightsaber than form II is. And it's still "medium" when you face people with a blaster. So the form itself is very useful - Vaapad (using Shatterpoint) even more.

Example b) Dooku, when he was a padawan and later knight and then Jedi master, why was he training in form II? Form II is for combat in saber to saber right? Why would he be training in a saber form to fight other sabers, when there are none to fight, and haven't been for hundreds of years? There are no Sith, or Dark Jedi's at that time are there? So who is he training to fight?

Dooku is an idealist. See...for him the only "worthy" opponent is another Jedi and therefore he just practiced the form that would be the most useful against another Jedi. He was convinced that he could destroy everyone else (that is not a Jedi) no matter what so he just practiced the thing that would probably give him the edge on another force user wielding a lightsaber.

Isn't that kind of like a soldier in the 2005 army training with Muskets, on the off chance that a musket using army will resurface sometime in the future, even though there haven't been any for over a century?

The threat that somebody would fall to the dark side always remained and it's not very uncommon to practice for the worst possible case. In modern military (at least special forces) the people still train with melee weapons and use martial arts although there would be very few situations they will ever need that knowledge.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Apparently Qui-gon used the standard saber style and Obi-wan switched to defensive because of Qui-gon's fate.

I have to correct that statement.

Qui-Gon used form IV and the "standard" saber style would be form VI. Obi-Wan switched his form because he saw that the offensive Ataru isn't very good vs a Sith Lord. He thought that form III defence would give him the edge in a one vs one since nobody should be able to pass through a Soresu defence movement.

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dooku lost to anakin on purpose. it was part of the plan. dooku was supposed to lose on purpose and be taken prisoner by anakin. dooku would then say grievous was behind everything in the clone wars and resume his spot in the jeedai order. then he and sidious would rule the republic together and turn the jeedai order into an order of dark jeedai. of course sidious knew dooku would go with it, and when he had him down, he had anakin kill him. simple as that. dooku may still have lost to anakin because anakins skills had greatly improved since AOTC, something that took dooku by surprise. but the battle would not have been that quick. dooku would have given a good fight if he was fighting all out.

Where did you hear this from? The books or are you just thinking alot because that's some good stuff, but sounds right so must be from books or something... but thank you, although Sidious did say he be getting a new younger and more POWERFUL apprentice... and I know Anakin at that point has alot more potential... but I think he means at the present time.

If you did read the book what were Dooku and Palps discussing before Anakin and Kenobi boarded the ship??? this question goes for every1 as well.

Obi-Wan used form IV against Anakin.

Anakin uses form V right in his quest for greater power? Also Obi-wan used Form III (like stated I believe), and defended himself from Anankin till he got the up hand, which was the high ground...(which pisses me off, it was a lame way to defeat Anakin, who should of just went down stream but was too stupid, and maybe should of used a different force power if he is so strong...) then he defeated Anakin!

Anakin go poof! - blowup

Yea I never thought of the possiblity of any Jedi falling to the dark side
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and Count Dooku mastering Form II would be a super candidate... thx for pointing that out!

And Even if Kenobi did use Form IV did Anakin still use V?

Anakin used Form V (strong offense, weak defence) while Kenobi used Form III (the opposite). That's part of why they were so well-matched.

Kenobi had previously studied Form IV, so he implemented that.

Nai brought up an excellent reason for Dooku's Form II mastery. Dooku was an idealist and arrogant, not to mention an aristocrat. Being a prodigy in his youth, it is not surprising he excelled in a form dedicated to outduelling other jedi as he trained in the temple.

However, people underestimate the use of Juyo. Juyo itself is actually a blend of many of the previous forms and then some. It relies on spontaneous, unpredictable moves to catch an opponent off guard. Also, it excels at blaster deflection (In Shatterpoint, Mace Windu was able to hold off gunships for a short time with two blades. Also, he deflects blasts in AOTC like it's his job) Vaapad is merely a deeper delve into the form itself, flirting with the darkside to achieve a mindset that is more primal and chaotic than a Jedi is used to in order to overcome foes. The shatterpoint technique which Mace is famous for is his own ability added to Vaapad to make him even more exceptional. However, people need to realize that shatterpoint doesn't neccessarily make Mace able to hold his own with EVERYONE.