Originally posted by Batman Returnsfirst,
1. change that horrible batman voice!!!! batman isnt clint eastwood or wolverine!!
7. would have changed the bruces death scene, it wasnt ass impactive as it was in B89, THAT death scene was PERFECT!!
Loved The Batman voice, very garvely and scary.
Second, the death scene in B89 sucked, why? Beacuse it was not sorrowful, we did not know Bruce's parents so we did not feel sorry for them, and Bruce didn't even shed a tear.
Originally posted by BlackC@t
Loved The Batman voice, very garvely and scary.
and forced. and "wannabe tough". and marble mouth. and over-reacting. ugh, sucked.
Originally posted by BlackC@t
[B]Second, the death scene in B89 sucked, why? Beacuse it was not sorrowful, we did not know Bruce's parents so we did not feel sorry for them, and Bruce didn't even shed a tear.
it was plenty sorrowful to me, and just cuz bruce didnt overreact like the stupid ass kid in BB doesnt make the scene suck. he was probably too nervous that HE would get killed, especially with that guy pointing his gun at him! duh! i would be the same way!! and i didnt need to KNOW who the parents were to feel bad, they all looked liked they loved each other alot, THATS ALL I NEED TO KNOW. nolan went into way too much detail that was NOT need IMO.
it was done perfectly to a T. great death scene. death scene lacked emotion in BB, or had too MUCH emotion, whatever, it just didnt impact me as much as B89. thats my opinion.
^tru i see what ur sayin...the death scene i thought in begins wasnt dramatic at all...they just got shot, the thug ran off, n his dad said dont be afraid to bruce, n he died n he just knelt in the ally n it seemed rather boring to me....there shouldve been more emotion i thought... but overall that was a kickass movie so who cares!
but one other thing id change about begins is the fighting scenes which were, yes, like everyone else has said, too short and blurry...but having that effect also made it seem much more intense....ionno i just couldnt tell what was really happening till like the thrid time i saw the movie
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW COULD I FORGET TO MENTION THE GOD-AWFUL FIGHT SCENES!!!
imgonna go back and edit my "what would i change?" list. 😄
damnit! i cant edit my list!! oh well....
anyways, i DO agree, the fight scenes sucked. at least in the burton films you could see the fights happen, hell, even in the schumacher films. in BB, those choppy, to fast fights were enough to make your eyes turn all the way in the back of your head. 😘 its like, ok, batman rasies his right arm to block, a second later his right hand is punching a guy in the face, then a second later he head butts someone then a second later hes doin a backflip, LOL, i mean, what is this, twister?
if the sequel would just change these flaws, it would be, well, as much as i hate to say this, perfect.
Originally posted by BlackC@t
Loved The Batman voice, very garvely and scary.Second, the death scene in B89 sucked, why? Beacuse it was not sorrowful, we did not know Bruce's parents so we did not feel sorry for them, and Bruce didn't even shed a tear.
well said black cat.yeah Bales batman voice was great for the reasons you said and the batman 89 death scene really sucked because very little of that film was devoted to batman so you could not care about them and like you said,he didnt even shed a tear as a kid or as an adult in those films.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
well said black cat.yeah Bales batman voice was great for the reasons you said and the batman 89 death scene really sucked because very little of that film was devoted to batman so you could not care about them and like you said,he didnt even shed a tear as a kid or as an adult in those films.
i give up. your like 2 years old, blabbin how bad the past films are. obviously your not a true bat fan, you should be able to enjoy ALL the different versions, not just ONE version, that makes you sound closed minded and ignorant, especially when you post things like "oh B89 sucks cuz i just think it sucks blah blah", cuz you come off lookin reeeally stupid, and i bet you sure wont make a lot of friends THAT way. not sure if you got my post about how your opinion doesnt rule all, but if you did, you obviosuly dont give a ****, your just bein a big baby. nopw please just STFU if ya got nothin nice to say, or dont say ****.
First of all, bale was perfect in all the concepts of the character. Phischally, voice, acting, etc. He is both batman and bruce wayne. Somewhat that keaton, kilmer or clooney never did.
Second of all, a true batman fan is the one who is capable of distinguish the unfaithful vertion from the faithful vertion. And the nolan movie was the faithful one, meanwhile the others where just betrayals to the character meaning and concept, in one way or another.
Originally posted by bakerboy
First of all, bale was perfect in all the concepts of the character. Phischally, voice, acting, etc. He is both batman and bruce wayne. Somewhat that keaton, kilmer or clooney never did.Second of all, a true batman fan is the one who is capable of distinguish the unfaithful vertion from the faithful vertion. And the nolan movie was the faithful one, meanwhile the others where just betrayals to the character meaning and concept, in one way or another.
oh boy you are SO wrong here, with everything. first, its in YOUR opinion that bales voice, build, hair, penis, etc. was perfect for batman. I, and others here, however, did NOT find him to be the perfect batman. infact, far from it. there was alot wrong with his batman espcailly that i wasnt likeing or digging at all. NOPE, i didnt like his forced dorky voice. batman is suppsoed to sound serious, not sound like someone who is "trying to BE" serious. came off forced and i didnt like it. he was simply trying TOO HARD, as did alot in this movie.
second, wtf are you talking about "telling the difference" between a so called "faithful" one and the so called "unfaithful" one?? WAKE UUUUPP!!!SMELL THE COOOFEEE!!! they were ALL faithful and UNfaithful in there OWN ways. not one of them is perfect. BB wasnt perfect cuz, well, other then the reasons ive mentioned, it didnt have ducard ras training bruce oin the comics like he was in the movie. next, where did the character "rachel dawse" come from?? thats cuz she WASNT in the comics (not to mention bad casting)!! next, where does it say that batman got his "suit" from lucious??? there were a MILLION different ways that batman got his suit in the comics, not JUST through lucious, wich in fact he never did!! also, why does everyone complain that bales batman didnt "kill"?? he DID!!! he let ras die on the train, ket him get crushed!!! he KILLED (and no ras isnt alive)!! and batmsn glider cape, where in the comics is THAT!! and where does it say that it worked cuz of "electro impulses" or some **** like that???? and where does it say that bruce went to the himalyas to train to become batman??? and why werent the villian costumes accurate??? why wasnt scarecrow's suit a scarecrow??? why was it just a dopr in a blue suit with a burlap mask over his head??? and why didnt ras have the robes in green (and no, one little tiny green scarf wont do the trick)???
oh boy, BB certainly WASNT faithful to comics as much as ppl like top preach. hell, i dont cARE about the comics, as long as BB was a good Batman movie!! at least B89 had the right costumes, ala JOKER!! HE LOOKED PERFECT, JUST LIKE THE COMICS!! nolan, was it THAT hard to make the comic's costumes???
nolan, you make me sick. 😘
Batman begins wasnt 100%faithful, but yes much more faithful than the burton or shumacher movies, and is a much better movie with a better script and better performances.
If i would post here the differences between the burton and schumacher movies with the comics, i wont finish it in a day.
Keaton didnt look anything as batman or bruce wayne. Nicholson didnt look anything as the joker. De vito penguin didnt look anything as the penguin.
Originally posted by tpaquin
Between Joe Chill, Falcone, and Zazz, Begins did as many name drops as they possibly could. And I loved it. The big problem with Burton's batman was he wasn't a fan of the comics, or comics in general. He, in fact, when confronted by Kevin Smith about lifting the Ape on Lincoln's body from a Jay and Silent Bob comic, Burton said, "I've never read a comic and I'd definitely never read anything written by Kevin Smith."That's when I lost a lot of respect for Burton.
oh just STFU. we're talking about what would we change in BB, not what we would change in B89. SO offtopic, and most of what your saying doesnt even matter. 🙄 stop bashing please, its rediculous. there are those of us who LOVE those masterpieces. BB to me was so rediculosly boring and ppl to need to stop making it like its a godsend. my friend, it is NOT. far from it. where was the excitement? why was the Bmobile a friggin SUV? why did bale look like jay leno in that HORRIBLE , oversized cowl?? why so many stupid subplots (that stuuuuupid microwave ****)?? why katie holmes for godsake? why no faithful villian costumes? why "robot" batman?? why "nice coat" line that ruined the "im batman" scene??? why is gotham city chicago?? why no atmosphere like the burton films had?? why is lucious fox Q??WHY WHY WHY????? theres much wrong with BB, but cuz its the "new" bat film, everyones praising it. just wait a few more months, ppl wont be prasing it that much. and BB was hardly memorable like the awsome burton films were. BB had no bat-theme!! wtf? whats with nolan and his "realism" BS? guess what ? IT DIDNT WORK. nolan should have just stuck to his wittle indie stupid films, he made a movie, not a BATman movie, and for THAT, i will not forgive him. 🙄
Originally posted by BlackC@t
Loved The Batman voice, very garvely and scary.Second, the death scene in B89 sucked, why? Beacuse it was not sorrowful, we did not know Bruce's parents so we did not feel sorry for them, and Bruce didn't even shed a tear.
Also I loved the voice as well. It was a different side of man, and I liked it.
Number one thing would be the Love Storys...cut it out...show him as a loner...maybe Harvey Dent.
Second don't let Ra's die...it's not Batman like....didn't like that actually.....he said to Jean Paul that "walking away" so one gets killed is for him just as bad as actually killing.
Originally posted by Max Spidey 24
I would change the name of the movie to SPiderman : ).....: ( ok I would change the fight scenes to make it a fight scene nd no more twoface, because he was in Batman and Robin.
Originally posted by bakerboy
First of all, bale was perfect in all the concepts of the character. Phischally, voice, acting, etc. He is both batman and bruce wayne. Somewhat that keaton, kilmer or clooney never did.Second of all, a true batman fan is the one who is capable of distinguish the unfaithful vertion from the faithful vertion. And the nolan movie was the faithful one, meanwhile the others where just betrayals to the character meaning and concept, in one way or another.
Well spoken again Bakerboy.Those other four batman movies were a betrayel to the batman comics and thankfully Nolan has made those god awful burton and schuamcher batman movies nothing but a bad memory.Bale was perfect.He had the right intimidating voice and did not look like a wuss in his fights like keaton did in the first batman movie.Thank god for nolan for making a batman movie that did the cape crusader justice and not portraying him as the cowardly killer the first two batman films did.Nolan rules. 💃
Originally posted by Batman Returns
oh just STFU. we're talking about what would we change in BB, not what we would change in B89. SO offtopic, and most of what your saying doesnt even matter. 🙄 stop bashing please, its rediculous. there are those of us who LOVE those masterpieces. BB to me was so rediculosly boring and ppl to need to stop making it like its a godsend. my friend, it is NOT. far from it. where was the excitement? why was the Bmobile a friggin SUV? why did bale look like jay leno in that HORRIBLE , oversized cowl?? why so many stupid subplots (that stuuuuupid microwave ****)?? why katie holmes for godsake? why no faithful villian costumes? why "robot" batman?? why "nice coat" line that ruined the "im batman" scene??? why is gotham city chicago?? why no atmosphere like the burton films had?? why is lucious fox Q??WHY WHY WHY????? theres much wrong with BB, but cuz its the "new" bat film, everyones praising it. just wait a few more months, ppl wont be prasing it that much. and BB was hardly memorable like the awsome burton films were. BB had no bat-theme!! wtf? whats with nolan and his "realism" BS? guess what ? IT DIDNT WORK. nolan should have just stuck to his wittle indie stupid films, he made a movie, not a BATman movie, and for THAT, i will not forgive him. 🙄
those burton batman movies are crap,we have given our reasons to you many times why they are not masterpieces.Batman Begins is the masterpiece Batman movie.Thats laughable that you call batman begins rediculesly boring.Batman Begins had everything in it a batman movie should have in it that we were robbed of in 89.Great action-a muct for a batman movie.Great plot,great acting,great casting.None of those qualitys were present in those god awful Burton Batman movies.yes it IS godsend because this batman movie finally did the cape crusader justice showing his true character,not making him the cowardly killer the first two films made him into.The excitement was there from beginning to end so what are you talking about? 🙄 I t made up for that horrible batman 89 where all they did was stand around and talk practically the whole damn time for the first hour and a half with just a few action scenes here and there.now THAT was rediculously boring.The excitment was there from the begginning,wake up. 🙄 faithful villian costumes? your crippling your arguments BIG TIME!!! THE SCARECROW costume was a hell of a lot closer to being faithful than that horrible costume and bad makeup look that Devito had on as the penguin. 🙄 where is this robot batman crap coming from? watch the movie again there was no robot batman present in this film.nice coat ruined the scene? yeah right,whatever.It was probably more chicago because it had the just the right look of gothem,dark and derpressing and not too dark like burtons was.Burton was on the right track for the right look only he made his movies too dark making it hard to see anything,which nolan did so well portraying.No it has nothing to do with it being new that everybody priasing it.It is getting the praise it deserves because it erased the horrible nightmare franchise of the other batman films and its a batman movie that did his character justice FINALLY!!!!! why is that so hard to comprehend? geez.it was very memorable,it was touching unlike those horrible burton batman movies.The only thing the burton films did right where they were better than Begins was it had a better batmobile and better theme song.I will give you credit there,you actually madea good point for a change there.
you dont have a clue whatsoever what your talking about.If you ever read the batman comics and at this point I am seriously doubting you ever did,you would know for a fact that it was "Burton" that made a movie and NOT A BATMAN MOVIE. Nolan "did" make a batman movie.
read the comics and come come back here in a few years when you actually no what your talking about after reading through them. 🙄
guys,I strongly advise you to take my advise and ignore this batman returns,he just insults everybody if they dont agree with him.
Originally posted by Batman Returns
oh boy you are SO wrong here, with everything. first, its in YOUR opinion that bales voice, build, hair, penis, etc. was perfect for batman. I, and others here, however, did NOT find him to be the perfect batman. infact, far from it. there was alot wrong with his batman espcailly that i wasnt likeing or digging at all. NOPE, i didnt like his forced dorky voice. batman is suppsoed to sound serious, not sound like someone who is "trying to BE" serious. came off forced and i didnt like it. he was simply trying TOO HARD, as did alot in this movie.second, wtf are you talking about "telling the difference" between a so called "faithful" one and the so called "unfaithful" one?? WAKE UUUUPP!!!SMELL THE COOOFEEE!!! they were ALL faithful and UNfaithful in there OWN ways. not one of them is perfect. BB wasnt perfect cuz, well, other then the reasons ive mentioned, it didnt have ducard ras training bruce oin the comics like he was in the movie. next, where did the character "rachel dawse" come from?? thats cuz she WASNT in the comics (not to mention bad casting)!! next, where does it say that batman got his "suit" from lucious??? there were a MILLION different ways that batman got his suit in the comics, not JUST through lucious, wich in fact he never did!! also, why does everyone complain that bales batman didnt "kill"?? he DID!!! he let ras die on the train, ket him get crushed!!! he KILLED (and no ras isnt alive)!! and batmsn glider cape, where in the comics is THAT!! and where does it say that it worked cuz of "electro impulses" or some **** like that???? and where does it say that bruce went to the himalyas to train to become batman??? and why werent the villian costumes accurate??? why wasnt scarecrow's suit a scarecrow??? why was it just a dopr in a blue suit with a burlap mask over his head??? and why didnt ras have the robes in green (and no, one little tiny green scarf wont do the trick)???
oh boy, BB certainly WASNT faithful to comics as much as ppl like top preach. hell, i dont cARE about the comics, as long as BB was a good Batman movie!! at least B89 had the right costumes, ala JOKER!! HE LOOKED PERFECT, JUST LIKE THE COMICS!! nolan, was it THAT hard to make the comic's costumes???
nolan, you make me sick. 😘
okay this will be my last post to you on this because you made one good point here.Yeah none of them were a 100% faithful to the comic but the changes in batman begins were reasonable and did not damage the batman mythos like burtons did.Burtons batman movie betrayed his character turning him into a cowardly killer and that was a sin for him to kill the joker.burton should be shot for such a travesty of justice.Blae did not kill his mentor,theres a huge difference between not saving someone and murdering a person in cold blood like burtons batman movies did.bales batman did not murder people,that doesnt qualify as killing someone by not rescuing a person.well then you should love the movie because BB was a great film unlike those crapfest burton movies.the burton movies were not real at all because batman should have been wanted for murder at the end for the joker,not treated like a damn hero. batman begins showed realisem because in real life,they would have said what they said in the movie which was nobody takes the law into their own hands in my town,which is why they were hunting down batman.none of that realisem was present in the burton batman films.bb had realsisem in it,batman 89 and batman returns did not.
I like the way they use Scarecrow in the movie. He didnt wear fully clothed Scarecrow, but that's just only the beginning. Maybe there's a story behind Scarecrow. Like, maybe Batman finds out that Crane was kicked out of the University due to testing experiments on students and that caught Ra's attention. Ra offer him a job to work for him and have him work at the asylum.
Tazer in his face didnt kill him at all. He needs time to pull himself together and come back as a main villain. Since Ra's dead and he's on his own, he shuld gather up left overs of Ra's henchmen and rule Gotham City again. Probaby end up at the dam like in the comics. Everything in the movie is just a warm up. There's many possibiliies going on in the future films.
I say, this Batman Begins topped all the films and the best comic book movie Ive seen.