China the Next Superpower

Originally posted by Fishy
You think so? I think China is being brilliant, they just have to limit their growth otherwise it will come crashing down hard eventually.

But the biggest weakness of Communism is being removed by the way China acts now, and the leaders still have the advantages of it. They are being smart, who cares if its a new system. It could work very well, it has so far.

You cannot both be capitalist AND hold your people in a tight information grip as China does. One contradicts the other. The clash will come.

Why? They are giving their people more freedom in a slow way, just not giving them the right to vote in essence. Basically becoming a capatalist dictatorship named Communism, it does not makes sence but if it works for them it works.

Yes, it can be.

Originally posted by Fishy
Why? They are giving their people more freedom in a slow way, just not giving them the right to vote in essence. Basically becoming a capatalist dictatorship named Communism, it does not makes sence but if it works for them it works.

Or the right of information. Capitalism both feeds upon and demands such freedoms- and don't kid yourself; China is not what we would recognise as a capitalist country. Honng Kong is a capitalist area and that gets suppressed.

Capitalism MUST be free to work proerly. China is not. It won't work.

I think China will be the next super power.

and i seriously hope the US dosent try to do anything stupid with them in the near future because of it.

It would be difficult to find a way to do anything to China, by the US or any other Western power, as it is something of a major part of Western economy and structure. The loss of China would have quite a bad effect on the Global community, unlike the USSR. Add to this the fact that the US has a serious debt to China (as China is one of the big money lenders of modern times with Britain, Saudi Arabia and Japan), which could, if conflict breaks out, lead to serious instability to the global economy as a whole, and in specific the US economy.

And if the US economy goes bad... well it means bad things for the West of the Western world.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
It would be difficult to find a way to do anything to China, by the US or any other Western power, as it is something of a major part of Western economy and structure. The loss of China would have quite a bad effect on the Global community, unlike the USSR. Add to this the fact that the US has a serious debt to China (as China is one of the big money lenders of modern times with Britain, Saudi Arabia and Japan), which could, if conflict breaks out, lead to serious instability to the global economy as a whole, and in specific the US economy.

And if the US economy goes bad... well it means bad things for the West of the Western world.

Speaking of loans, China never repaid the Soviets for the loan they gave them during the Korean war, as China basically gave Russia the finger and later threw the Soviets out in the 1968 split.

As far as possible future scenarios..

Whose to say that China and N. Korea wouldn't link up and swarm into S.Korea and drive out the Western forces who are too small in number to stop them? Western forces are driven into the S. China sea or the Korean peninsula and either totally eliminated or let go with the understanding they are not to return.

From there, Korea is once again joined together, but as a Communist state, and Chinese peacekeepers are used to stabilize the area while the Koreans are fed and educated as the new Korea becomes a powerful puppet state capable of standing on it's own if need be while they win the favor of the people. "Hearts and minds" as it were.

Or, China could mobilize and finish the Russians and then set their sights for the oil rich low countries and eventually into Persia and Iran, and we could see a total takeover of the northern gulf as the United Arab Emirates sweat bullets that they might be next. While the Persian forces are occupied, Chinese commando teams slip thru the back door of the Russian\Iranian border and take over all the nuke facilities and blackmail Iran as well as threatening the West if they refuse to capitualte to their demands. Nukes and oil..China is set for anyone who dares defy them.

Just some thoughts, and it's not like their army isn't big enough.

The problem with china is that they produce stuff very cheaply, through slave labor in prisons or cheap labor in companys.

The west gets flooded with this produce which can obviously be sold a lot cheaper than the western produced goods. So eventually everyone in production will unemployed, china will become mega rich because everyone´s buying thier stuff because it´s cheap and they people have no money, etc.

China and India will grow amazingly in the next decade, whether they ill exceed the US is another thing, if Bush in in power he´ll probaly call them terrorists and invade them to save US jobs.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The problem with china is that they produce stuff very cheaply, through slave labor in prisons or cheap labor in companys.

The west gets flooded with this produce which can obviously be sold a lot cheaper than the western produced goods. So eventually everyone in production will unemployed, china will become mega rich because everyone´s buying thier stuff because it´s cheap and they people have no money, etc.

The amount of cheap ass imitation Power Ranger and Gi Joe figures at the local Dollar Stores bears THIS one out w\o a second doubt. Oh and not to mention all those imitation Super Soakers and wrestling figures...

True give China a few years and it will be a strong miltray because all of the US secrets are being stolen. Imo never mess with a country with Nukes.