Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
You think Michael Jackson is a "genius dancer". There is no such thing. He may be ingenuitive, but dancing isn't something that can be a work of genius, period.
yes there is. what about martha graham? what about baryshnikov? what about nureyev?
genious can be mental (graham) and physical (nureyev and baryshnikov)...and it applies to dance as it would to any art form.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Yes, there is, because nobody knows the true definition and how it applies to music. Too many people are stepping over the line that seperates ingenuity and genius, because of it.
Well then why not have a thread saying 'what is genius?'. I don't think the intention of the thread was for people to start bickering over the fact that what they consider to be the qualities of musical genius don't apply to someone else's choice.
If we are going to define the term, the only way we can do so is generally, which would be to display a great mastery of the art, or to have a great creative ability.
If a choice is then disputed, so be it.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
A very talented person, by definition, is NOT a genius in the traditional sense, because singing, isn't an intellectual or creative power by any means. That can't be measured, songwriting can, and POSSIBLY dancing, although that's just creativity, not so much ingenuity.
Sorry to be blunt but this paragraph is terrible. Not only is it unclear, but it's wrong in various ways.
How do you come to the conclusion that singing isn't a 'creative power' ?
I feel like commenting on some of the other assertions but this has just derailed the thread amazingly.
Let's just use an exceptional propensity for creativity or mastery of the art of music as the meaning of 'genius'. Anything else is unnecessary confusion.
I know that it isnt a thread about what a genious is. But the things that Cinemadicction is postin are incredible false and non sense. Lets see:
What is the bullshit that i posted in my post? A singer is in certain way an actor, he does a kind of performance in the stage, performing a song. Only see his gestures. And any actor, or many of them has singed in one in another way, in a movie, musical, theatre play, or even in the acting school. So, what is the bullshit here?
Second, you are underrating the talent of dance and singing. Barisnikov and nureyev are genious in their fields, and they only dancing. Great singers could be considered genious in their field. Same with guitar playes, or drums, or bass, etc.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
How do you come to the conclusion that singing isn't a 'creative power' ?
I feel like commenting on some of the other assertions but this has just derailed the thread amazingly.Let's just use an exceptional propensity for creativity or mastery of the art of music as the meaning of 'genius'. Anything else is unnecessary confusion.
Explain how someone can be a "genius singer". That's all I'm going to ask for.
Originally posted by bakerboy
What is the bullshit that i posted in my post? A singer is in certain way an actor, he does a kind of performance in the stage, performing a song. Only see his gestures. And any actor, or many of them has singed in one in another way, in a movie, musical, theatre play, or even in the acting school. So, what is the bullshit here?Second, you are underrating the talent of dance and singing. Barisnikov and nureyev are genious in their fields, and they only dancing. Great singers could be considered genious in their field. Same with guitar playes, or drums, or bass, etc.
The bullshit is your nonsensical comparisons that don't arrive at any conclusion. IMO, there's no comparing singers and people that exude a PHYSICAL PROWESS in their craft. That's me, you don't like the way I think, tough shit, don't debate with me. This thread's a lost cause and I give up trying to make anyone understand.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Explain how someone can be a "genius singer". That's all I'm going to ask for.
Sure.
Dictionary.com offers 5 definitions.
'Extraordinary intellectual and creative power' : self evident this one. A singer displaying these faculties. Having the ability to select the correct note, pitch, length, timbre, and so forth.
'A person of extraordinary intellect and talent': Intellect is covered above. Talent- I'm sure it doesn't need to be explained.
'A person who has an exceptionally high intelligence quotient, typically above 140': this one isn't really applicable here.
'A strong natural talent, aptitude, or inclination' : again, obvious. They are all obvious, aren't they? Anyway, last one.
'One who has such a talent or inclination': as above.