Sith Lords

Ragnos.

For raw potential I have to say a full developed Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker would be the best.

For force powers and mastery that one goes to Marka Ragnos obviously.
I know people would say "Well...we don't know that much about Ragnos". Yes.

Still:
- he had Naga Sadow as an apprentice. Sadow could basically do everything the Dark Lords that followed him could do (Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd and so on)
- he rained over the Sith Empire for over 150 years without anybody ever challenging him.
- after his death he still is something like the "puppet master" behind the Sith empire. No one ever questioned his decissions even when he was a ghost because even then he was more powerful than the most known Sith lords were alive.
- his spirit remained in the galaxy (without being chained to a certain place) for more than 5,000 years.
- and even after that 5,000 years his spirit was so powerful that he could take control over another force user

That's the reason why basically every other Sith lord past him did fear him. Sadow did that. Exar Kun did that. And imagine how powerful somebody must have been that somebody like Sadow even FEARS his ghost.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
For raw potential I have to say a full developed Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker would be the best.

For force powers and mastery that one goes to Marka Ragnos obviously.
I know people would say "Well...we don't know that much about Ragnos". Yes.

Still:
- he had Naga Sadow as an apprentice. Sadow could basically do everything the Dark Lords that followed him could do (Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd and so on)
- he rained over the Sith Empire for over 150 years without anybody ever challenging him.
- after his death he still is something like the "puppet master" behind the Sith empire. No one ever questioned his decissions even when he was a ghost because even then he was more powerful than the most known Sith lords were alive.
- his spirit remained in the galaxy (without being chained to a certain place) for more than 5,000 years.
- and even after that 5,000 years his spirit was so powerful that he could take control over another force user

That's the reason why basically every other Sith lord past him did fear him. Sadow did that. Exar Kun did that. And imagine how powerful somebody must have been that somebody like Sadow even FEARS his ghost.

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For potential it's Anakin Skywalker with Revan in second, IMO.

In terms of Force powers, I think either Revan or Traya, probably Traya.

is there seriously no good info on ragnos???

Yeah basically. We know he lost as a spirit even in a Dark Jedi master's body with a Sith sword, to a Jedi knight. We know he ruled a long time over the Sith but nothing else. He sure didn't want to attack the Republic, and that's about everything.

He didn't want to attack the Republic cuz he was smart to know that they probably wouldn't win.

There is nothing that says Ragnos is powerful it's merely implied, as for being unchallenged and feared by powerful sith lords, an elephant fears a mouse does that make the mouse stronger?

Personally it's between exar, Revan and sadow in no particular order as the three are extremely close.

Why are you placing Sadow on that list? Ragnos was clearly more powerful then him otherwise Sadow would have killed him. A elephant may fear a mouse but if that mouse is his key to power he will sure as hell try to defeat it. At least if he can. Sadow never even tried, and he wasn't that much of a coward.

An elephant is afraid of the mouse because of what it can do to it. Same with this thing, they know what Ragnos can do to them.

So absically your placing Sadow on the list and taking Ragnos out because you don't have proof on him, but you do on Sadow, despit the fact that Sadow was scared as hell of him. He was scared of his "ionized air particles".

Yeah, Ragnos was definitly more powerful then Sadow was or could ever hope to be. By all logic we can not even place Sadow near Ragnos.

True. But Revan and Kun are well placed. However, I dothink both Exar Kun and Ragnos are more powerful than Revan, so the toss-up should be between them. But Revan is certainly a close contender.

I'm not so sure on Exar on Revan. From what we know Exar is more powerful but in a fight I still give Revan a pretty good chance like 50% 50% because Revan is a great fighter and has some edges that Exar does not. But then again there is a lot we don't know about Revan yet (I hope) so we will just have to wait and see. Maybe he will become more powerful then Exar one day.

Still I agree with you, there are only two that I would rate higher then Revan. Ragnos and Exar (possibly) the rest is just to vague.

I feel the same way. Exar and Revan are debatable; I'd go with Exar, but that's controversial. All things said, Marka Ragnos deserves to be up there no matter what.

I agree, revan is out of his league when compared to exar and ragnos.

Not completely out of his league, but I think it can be safely said that Kun and Ragnos would have the upper hand. Not a huge upper hand, but an advantage no less. Revan probably has some tricks up his sleeve, but I think the former two could take him.

Revan might have a lot of knowledge and skill, but that's not enough to defeat Marka. But we haven't heard the last of Revan......

well anakin skywalker had the greatest potential but many other sith lords were more powerful like darth revan, exar kun, freedon nadd etc etc.

No, he had the most MIDI-CHLORIANS of any one on record in the Jedi Archives. Keep in mind, the Jedi archives do not go back to an unlimited date, it is uncertain whether or not they include records of the ancient Jedi and Sith, and it is even more uncertain how Midi-Chlorians translate into "potential" directly.

This whole "Anakin had the most potential of ANYBODY" is silly. He had the most potential of anyone in the GL movie saga, but of ANYBODY is a broad term and shouldn't be used lightly.

As far as best SITH LORD, this shouldn't be a debate, it's Ragnos, he was unquestioned for over a century.

As far as best duelist, or most formidable fighter, we DON'T know enough about certain individuals to make a reasonable stab.

Personally it's between exar, Revan and sadow in no particular order as the three are extremely close.

You're docking Ragnos because you know very little about him. Way to go logical fallacy, good game.

Because you DON'T know something, the converse must be true. Brilliant abilities of deduction, you could be a real Sherlock Holmes.

There is nothing that says Ragnos is powerful it's merely implied, as for being unchallenged and feared by powerful sith lords, an elephant fears a mouse does that make the mouse stronger?

Actually, the whole "elephant fears mice" thing is really a pretty big urban myth. Most elephants don't react to mice.

Also, mice can physiologically kill an elephant, it seems reasonable to fear someone that can kill you.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Originally posted by Fishy
I'm not so sure on Exar on Revan. From what we know Exar is more powerful but in a fight I still give Revan a pretty good chance like 50% 50% because Revan is a great fighter and has some edges that Exar does not. But then again there is a lot we don't know about Revan yet (I hope) so we will just have to wait and see. Maybe he will become more powerful then Exar one day.

Still I agree with you, there are only two that I would rate higher then Revan. Ragnos and Exar (possibly) the rest is just to vague.

What? What makes you think Exar is more powerful than Lord Revan?