Originally posted by General Zodiac
Atleast it won't be like Sidious killing those 3 Jedi Masters.
Well, they weren't really ready for Sidious to attack them with a lightsaber. They didn't think there wasd going to be battle, they were just trying to really intimidate Sidious by having four Jedi Masters with htem. So really, Sidious got the jump on them, that's the only reason he was able to kill them all together.
Ehem...
-from the movie-
Mace: The Senate will decide your fate.
Palpatine: -slowly stands up and draws lightsaber- So it's treason then...
-Palpatine proceeds to kill the Jedi Masters-
Alright people.
Palpatine didn't get the jump on the Jedi Masters. If memory serves, they already had their lightsabers at the ready and ignited. Nah. Sidious just overpowered them. Plain and simple. Please get over that.
Sidious's offensive Force powers are clearly more useful than anything Yoda's got in this battle. And Yoda would be the melee fighter of the two. And Sidious IS a heavyweight. And he DID last long against both Mace and Yoda. Get over your pathetic bias and see the real thing.
Anywho. Revan would put up a fight. But he would lose.
I'm sorry I was late on the argument - but I'd just like to end this.
I see a lot of extreme bias for Sidious. I suppose some don't approve or like his tactics. And others think he is a coward - which I agree on. But. That does not exclude the fact that Sidious won (in terms of his goals) in each and every battle in Revenge of The Sith that he participated in.
Intellectual battles and physical. Some attribute his victories to luck. That may very well be true. Yoda was clearly the more experienced and confidant fighter in their duel. But when you dismiss Sidious's abilities it makes you all sound obnoxious.
Darth Janus, Himokun, and Fishy. You three are the ones who promote this negative and biased opinion the most. You are right to have your opinion. But I have offered you facts and facts and even an unbiased walkthrough of the Sidious vs Palpatine battle.
During the battle with the four Jedi Masters - it was they who ignited their blades first. This symbolized that they were prepared for a battle. Just not one against such a powerful figure as Darth Sidious. I have frequently admitted that while Sidious is not the most powerful of the Sith, he is still mighty enough to stand toe-to-toe with four Jedi Masters simultaneously - and Grand Master of the Jedi Order.
Obviously, Mace and Yoda were the superior fighters compared to the other three. But Sidious just overpowered and outfought them. He gave Mace a hell of a run for his money. And he proved that he was equal to Yoda.
Bias is a very rude and blinding attribute. I urge you to let go of how much you don't LIKE Sidious and face the facts. He may not be the most powerful. But he's FAR from being weak. Or average.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Ehem...-from the movie-
Mace: The Senate will decide your fate.
Palpatine: -slowly stands up and draws lightsaber- So it's treason then...
-Palpatine proceeds to kill the Jedi Masters-
Alright people.
Palpatine didn't get the jump on the Jedi Masters. If memory serves, they already had their lightsabers at the ready and ignited. Nah. Sidious just overpowered them. Plain and simple. Please get over that.
Sidious's offensive Force powers are clearly more useful than anything Yoda's got in this battle. And Yoda would be the melee fighter of the two. And Sidious IS a heavyweight. And he DID last long against both Mace and Yoda. Get over your pathetic bias and see the real thing.
Anywho. Revan would put up a fight. But he would lose.
Darth Somebody is right. The 3 Jedi Masters were ready.
Originally posted by Dresta
sidious is lame
Is he really?
That is what I am referring to. Bias. Disgusting bias. You have no proof to indicate that Darth Sidious is lame. For a being who was so clever and manipulative to conquer the entire galaxy - a feat that no other Sith Lord ever accomplished - and manipulate the one being destined to destroy him into serving him - I wouldn't exactly call that lame.
Granted. A Marka Ragnos or an Exar Kun would be able to conquer Sidious in melee combat, but what he did was still great. Perhaps you just dismiss and dislike his methods for how he conquered the galaxy. But as I told Fishy, going in a galactic war like Revan and the others did clearly wasn't the right away to go about it. Otherwise these Sith Lords would have accomplished what Sidious did.
Intelligence is clearly superior to brute strength. Even in a war.
Of course it is, but not as fun... Besides a lot of those Sith just had a lot of bad luck, Sidious did not. He could have died and could have failed a lot of times when those others did. So it wasn't necessarily better it was just the first time it worked. And personally I think that fighting and almost conquering and destroying the republic is far more impressive then becoming the chancellor and changing some laws.
Well yeah, he succeeded but I don't care if they succeed or not. I care about what they did. Alexander the Great didn't achieve his goal and he is still seen as one of the greatest generals.
So is Ghengis Khan, Julius Caesar, Hanibal Barca, Rommel, you name them. Many of them did not do what they wanted to do and failed. Does not make them any less great. It justs a set of circumstances that made everything suck for them. Still I rate those people a hell of a lot higher then any modern day politician.
Again. Your opinion. And your bias. However, I will give you credit for admitting that Sidious did what Revan could not. And that is all that matters. If this were a debate that focused on whom had the superior or COOLER strategies, then perhaps Revan could be defended properly.
But accomplishments is where Sidious outclasses the legendary and all-powerful Darth Revan.
Now let's get back on topic and discuss the duel.
Originally posted by Fishy
How am I biased? I am just stating my opinion which is my opinion. How the hell is that biased? I think what Sidious did was cheap and weak, nothing like what the ancient Sith Lords did. How the hell can you argue that.
Exactly. And because of your opinion - you clearly thing negatively of Sidious in all aspects. You refer to him as nothing more than a politician. A fitting title for the only known ruler of the galaxy. But of course, you are intitled to your opinion.
A bias is a preference or inclination. You clearly have a preference in anything involving him. But that's alright. As you said, it is your opinion.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
I'm sorry I was late on the argument - but I'd just like to end this.I see a lot of extreme bias for Sidious. I suppose some don't approve or like his tactics. And others think he is a coward - which I agree on. But. That does not exclude the fact that Sidious won (in terms of his goals) in each and every battle in Revenge of The Sith that he participated in.
Intellectual battles and physical. Some attribute his victories to luck. That may very well be true. Yoda was clearly the more experienced and confidant fighter in their duel. But when you dismiss Sidious's abilities it makes you all sound obnoxious.
Darth Janus, Himokun, and Fishy. You three are the ones who promote this negative and biased opinion the most. You are right to have your opinion. But I have offered you facts and facts and even an unbiased walkthrough of the Sidious vs Palpatine battle.
During the battle with the four Jedi Masters - it was they who ignited their blades first. This symbolized that they were prepared for a battle. Just not one against such a powerful figure as Darth Sidious. I have frequently admitted that while Sidious is not the most powerful of the Sith, he is still mighty enough to stand toe-to-toe with four Jedi Masters simultaneously - and Grand Master of the Jedi Order.
Obviously, Mace and Yoda were the superior fighters compared to the other three. But Sidious just overpowered and outfought them. He gave Mace a hell of a run for his money. And he proved that he was equal to Yoda.
Bias is a very rude and blinding attribute. I urge you to let go of how much you don't LIKE Sidious and face the facts. He may not be the most powerful. But he's FAR from being weak. Or average.
I just don't think they were ready for Sidious to jump out with a lightsaber and attack him. They were ready, just not for that. Did you see their faces when Sidious killed them? they were in complete surprise.