Originally posted by Darth Windu
I agree. The only reason Yoda was thrown back so far was because of the amount of coiled Force Energy between them. With his Force Armor and the Emperor's Lightning, there was a lot of power in that little space. But as we saw, Yoda was the more powerful when he threw it back. HOWEVER, the resulting explosion knocked him so far compared to Sidious because of his light weight. I obviously believe that Yoda could overpower Sidious in almost any situation. Also, Yoda's lightsaber was knocked out of his hands by Sidious' most powerful lightning; you think Mace could stand up to that? As soon as Anakin came in, he shot it a Mace, but it obviously wasn't his all.
I assume that when someone mentioned the statement regarding Sidious's Force Lightning overpowering Yoda - would be when Yoda originally encroached upon Sidious in his office. Yoda and the Sith Lord engaged some banter. Then Sidious slowly raised his hands and fired off Force Lightning. Yoda attempted to block it - but the lightning was too quick and too powerful. Yoda was electrocuted and sent flying across the room.
During the next time Yoda was blasted, was when he and Sidious leapt on to the same pod and Yoda drew his lightsaber, ready to cut Sidious down. Sidious raised a hand and blasted Yoda's saber when Yoda swung down. The blast ripped the saber from Yoda's hands and it fell from the pod.
The last time Sidious used lightning against Yoda was after the saber fell. He blasted it away and Yoda kept it at bay. Sidious moved closer to Yoda, and Yoda was forced to remain stationary. As with Dooku, Yoda cannot move when repelling Force lightning. Sidious, when he moved forward, inadvertantly amped up the power of the lightning, and as he moved closer - the lightning coiled and was ready for an implosion.
The effort between the two of them was monumentous. Sidious looked strained - but then assumed he had the upper hand when Yoda looked weakened and tired from the effort. He assumed all he had to do was to keep firing until Yoda gave out. It appeared to me that Yoda knew Sidious would continue to fire the lightning longer than he could repel it. So he mustered his strength and threw it forward. The blast knocked Sidious over the pod. Yoda was sent flying do to the equivilant of a Force lightning "kick" or recoil.
I believe that NJO Luke is more powerful than Revan. Revan is powerful - but not to the level that Luke is. I believe that Malak would be soundly defeated in his battle with Yoda. And if, by some freak accident, Revan DID hold his own, then he'd have to battle Yoda and Luke.
Sorry Fishy. If THAT ever occured, the precious Darth Revan would be utterly wasted and destroyed.
Luke vs Revan - Half an hour or something at least
Malak vs Yoda - Half an hour or something at least, Yoda isn't a fast killer
Sidious vs Mace - 10 to 15 minutes
Dooku vs Obi - 2 minutes.
Vader vs Anakin - 20 minutes or something
Maul vs QGJ - About 10 minutes.
Dooku is obviously the first one to win. Which would give Dooku 8 to 13 minutes to help defeat Yoda before Windu comes along. Something that could very well happen.
Maul joins at 10 minutes and helps Vader.
Vader would win waster and Malak would have won too, that means Malak Vader Dooku and Maul vs Mace.
Mace down. Then all of those vs Luke. Should be doable long before the 30 minutes pass. The time it would take Luke to take out Revan. This is just how I see it, these times aren't strict, but just imagine it to be something like that.
I would look forward to another rematch concerning Darth Sidious and Mace Windu. In a straight up duel - where Windu wasn't focused about stopping Sidious once and for all and where Sidious wasn't focused about turning Anakin to the Dark Side and ruling the galaxy.
Just a sheer battle between the two of them.
Luke beats Revan
Yoda beats Malak
I don't know if Sidious or Mace wins, let's say Windu.
Dooku beats Obi-Wan (though I think that if Obi had gotten as much experience as dooku and time to work on his force defense and saber style Obi would win but thats not the case here).
Vader beats Anakin
Maul beats Qui-Gon
Everyone against Mace, Mace has no chance in hell.
Originally posted by Fishy
Luke vs Revan - Half an hour or something at least
Malak vs Yoda - Half an hour or something at least, Yoda isn't a fast killer
Sidious vs Mace - 10 to 15 minutes
Dooku vs Obi - 2 minutes.
Vader vs Anakin - 20 minutes or something
Maul vs QGJ - About 10 minutes.
Well...sorry Fishy. I can't just agree with those times.
Luke vs Revan - might take that amount of time
Malak vs Yoda - Yoda was about to kill Dooku after 30 seconds of lightsaber fighting then Dooku threw that thing at Obi-Wan and Anakin. So I don't thing he will waste 30 minutes with Malak.
Sidious vs Mace - in the film they just fight through the corridor, then fight 30 seconds or a minute in Sidious office with the result that Mace disarms Sidious. I'll say that this one will be the shortest match.
Dooku vs Obi - Obi can fend Dooku for a longer time. He can at least keep Dooku busy till Mace finished Sidious.
Vader vs Anakin - yeah ok that can take this long
Maul vs QGJ - can also take this long.
Following that things I'd say Mace finishes Sidious first than helps Obi-Wan with Dooku. Then Obi-Wan joins QGJ and Mace joins Anakin (or the other way around). Maybe QGJ is dead in this time but Obi-Wan can surely take Maul. While Mace and Anakin destroy Vader.
That leaves:
Luke vs Revan fighting
Yoda vs Malak fighting
Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace at least to aid them.
Revan and Malak go down vs 5 Jedi.
I think Nai Fohl is right about Obi holding of Dooku. The reason Obi got force tossed away by Dooku so easily was because Obi came behind Dooku and thought this was a clear strike at his back so he charged at him. Dooku then turned and took Obi off guard. If Obi defended all the time he would last a long time, like Anakin vs Obi.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well...sorry Fishy. I can't just agree with those times.Luke vs Revan - might take that amount of time
Malak vs Yoda - Yoda was about to kill Dooku after 30 seconds of lightsaber fighting then Dooku threw that thing at Obi-Wan and Anakin. So I don't thing he will waste 30 minutes with Malak.
Sidious vs Mace - in the film they just fight through the corridor, then fight 30 seconds or a minute in Sidious office with the result that Mace disarms Sidious. I'll say that this one will be the shortest match.
Dooku vs Obi - Obi can fend Dooku for a longer time. He can at least keep Dooku busy till Mace finished Sidious.
Vader vs Anakin - yeah ok that can take this long
Maul vs QGJ - can also take this long.Following that things I'd say Mace finishes Sidious first than helps Obi-Wan with Dooku. Then Obi-Wan joins QGJ and Mace joins Anakin (or the other way around). Maybe QGJ is dead in this time but Obi-Wan can surely take Maul. While Mace and Anakin destroy Vader.
That leaves:
Luke vs Revan fighting
Yoda vs Malak fighting
Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace at least to aid them.Revan and Malak go down vs 5 Jedi.
Like I said, if Sidious would have used force attacsk from the beginning it would take a lot longer. Its the reason he lost like he did anyways.
Obi vs Dooku, it didn't last longer in the movie. Dooku would own him with the force.
Malak vs Yoda? Dooku and Malak do not really compare IMO I think it would take a shit load of time before Yoda even hits, and according to Dooku he only ran because he had to hide the plans not because he was weaker he had no real choice. Then on the other hand you have the way Yoda fights, he doesn't actually hit somebody a lot now does he? Malak could surely hold on for a long time.
Fishy, I doubt that either Luke vs. Revan OR Yoda vs. Malak would last a half-hour. The combatants would be far too tired to fight past maybe 5 or 6. Look at the power levels of these people; Luke and Revan? I think Yoda could take Malak before Luke got Revan, but by the time, both Jedi would be tired. My point is, no fight will last more than several minutes. Qui-Gon Jinn would last a minute or two against Maul, and Darth Vader and Anakin- well, that one might take a bit. I think Mace would take Sidios, but die from lighting or something, or be wounded to say the least.
Okay maybe i overreacted with the times but just put them in perspective.
I think Malak and Yoda and Luke and Revan would fight longer then anybody else.
Mace and Sidious would take some time too, the others would be over faster mostly won by the Sith making the Sith win because they will have bigger teams faster.