Originally posted by Darth_Janus
...No. No, you're just wrong. If I can whup your dad's ass can I neccessarily whup yours? I mean, is it as clean cut as you say, goes without saying even?God, I swear... If the whole world thinks like the folks here at KMC, then there is like 2% of rational minds in the world.
Yes, it's that clear for the 2% rational minds among us. You may one day become stronger than master. However, the Sith are known for slaying their masters, in a long held historical tradition, once this surpassing has happened, thus passing the strength of the Sith lineage on. So Sideous, by all estimations, should be stronger than Darth Bane, give or take a few variables. Was Dooku too civilized to pass the tradition of the Sith or was he still Sideous' fledgling student? I tend to think if he WAS too civilized to be a true Sith than he is also TOO civilized to take on Mace's ruthless Vapaad technique. Mace will pull no punch in order to crush his opponents decisively. And for that Mace's only equal would be Yoda.
Mace would use the force-grip he harnessed as a teenager-with-hormones-that-rivaled-his-midichlorians to crush the metals around Malak's encased head. The same way he force-gripped General Grivous organ plates (thus giving him the coughing and wheezing we hear from the General at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.)
Nobody wants to tangle with Windu.
Originally posted by MedullaPancreas
Yes, it's that clear for the 2% rational minds among us. You may one day become stronger than master. However, the Sith are known for slaying their masters, in a long held historical tradition, once this surpassing has happened, thus passing the strength of the Sith lineage on. So Sideous, by all estimations, should be stronger than Darth Bane, give or take a few variables. Was Dooku too civilized to pass the tradition of the Sith or was he still Sideous' fledgling student? I tend to think if he WAS too civilized to be a true Sith than he is also TOO civilized to take on Mace's ruthless Vapaad technique. Mace will pull no punch in order to crush his opponents decisively. And for that Mace's only equal would be Yoda.Mace would use the force-grip he harnessed as a teenager-with-hormones-that-rivaled-his-midichlorians to crush the metals around Malak's encased head. The same way he force-gripped General Grivous organ plates (thus giving him the coughing and wheezing we hear from the General at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.)
Nobody wants to tangle with Windu.
Sidious is stronger than Bane? Uh, no. If your logic follows, the newest Sith would always be stronger than the ones before him, and that's stupid. Anakin was a Sith for close to thirty years. Is he better than Sidious? Hell no. Even when he cast down Sidious, he was not stronger than Sidious. He merely took the initiative to chuck the bastard over.
No, that's nonsense. You're saying that because Sidious was trounced by Mace that Dooku will neccessarly lose because Sidious is absolutely better than Dooku in all ways and no such variables should be considered (like different experiences, different fighting styles, etc.) By that logic, Jaden Korr should be able to defeat the spirits of Naga Sadow or Ludo Kressh. Also by that logic, Revan beat Bandon ONLY because he was stronger than Malak who was Bandon's master.
And Mace being unorthodox in his fighting style is not going to beat Dooku. A master of Makashi is not someone you get in close to and punch. In Dooku's fights, he mostly (or in some cases, entirely) dictates the rules of engagement, from distance to pace. He is the best duellist for style, form, and experience in the movies, at least as far as Sith goes. Yoda perhaps, would overcome Dooku in saber combat, but not for a long time. And since becoming a Sith, Dooku fights dirtier than anyone, using the Force to hurl things at opponents, Sith lightning, etc.
Originally posted by Darth Windu
People please, for the last time; VAAPAD IS NOT MORE POWERFUL AGAINST DARKSIDERS! It uses one's dark feelings and oftentimes Sith practices to aid the user's combat efficiency.
"Vapaad gives the user a unique position for fighting darksiders, for when mastered, it allows the user to draw upon the dark side's strength. In Revenge of the Sith, Mace Windu might have been unable to defeat Sidious had it not been for his mastery of Vaapad."
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
"Vapaad gives the user a unique position for fighting darksiders, for when mastered, it allows the user to draw upon the dark side's strength. In Revenge of the Sith, Mace Windu might have been unable to defeat Sidious had it not been for his mastery of Vaapad."
Bullshit. What's your source?
In the novel, Mace is a master of a lightsaber technique called Vaapad. What is this technique? As a martial artist yourself, is it your own invention?
I am indeed [a martial artist], but I'm not a Jedi. Vaapad appears in a number of references to Mace. I'm not sure who originated the concept.
All I did with Vaapad was take published descriptions of this style and expand them into the details of a fighting system that bears some relationship to actual combat, given the constraints and abilities of Jedi and the ways in which we've seen them use the Force.
Originally posted by Arbiter
In the novel, Mace is a master of a lightsaber technique called Vaapad. What is this technique? As a martial artist yourself, is it your own invention?I am indeed [a martial artist], but I'm not a Jedi. Vaapad appears in a number of references to Mace. I'm not sure who originated the concept.
All I did with Vaapad was take published descriptions of this style and expand them into the details of a fighting system that bears some relationship to actual combat, given the constraints and abilities of Jedi and the ways in which we've seen them use the Force.
So an expanded form of Juyo, is fully alleged of killing of a dark lord of the sith? In a few minutes? Something here is fishy.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Yeah, you'd better. Don't you go using Wikipedia, the "Do it yourself and edit me" website.
I guess your right, that site along with another shitty one only said that. Starwars.com said some version of the truth, but still. SOmething must be special with Vaapad, that helped Mace beat Sids, quickly.