you are an idiot...
No, i'm not; but you are a jack @ss for saying so.
Name some KC Flash feats that will blow me away? If the guy is everywhere at once i'm positive he would be defending more than one city.
Why is everyone calling it PIS? Maybe KC Flash isn't as great as this board makes him out to be.
Let's have some feats. Then i'll consider changing my mind. Feats that normal Flash doesn't do.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisBarry was faster than everyone in Marvel. Wally>Barry, except in terms of hero-ness, and KC is greater than that.
No, i'm not; but you are a jack @ss for saying so.Name some KC Flash feats that will blow me away? If the guy is everywhere at once i'm positive he would be defending more than one city.
Why is everyone calling it PIS? Maybe KC Flash isn't as great as this board makes him out to be.
Let's have some feats. Then i'll consider changing my mind. Feats that normal Flash doesn't do.
Originally posted by Juntai
That was very much Barry.. and either way KC Flash exists in multiples dimensions/times/realities whatever at once, so he did protect more than one city.
Uh...no. That wasn't Barry Allen. It was a tribute to Barry Allen and an inside joke. Barry Allen is either one with the Speedforce (Flash Annual 11) or in DC's Heaven(Green Arrow 7). Take your pick. He is definately not in the Marvel U.
And please provide some evidence of KC Flash existing in all dimensions? All we have no is "he said, she said" and quite frankly, that doesn't hold up very well.
Originally posted by Juntai
Barry was faster than everyone in Marvel. Wally>Barry, except in terms of hero-ness, and KC is greater than that.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
And please provide some evidence of KC Flash existing in all dimensions? All we have no is "he said, she said" and quite frankly, that doesn't hold up very well.
gee I'm sure glad you read my last post. (and FYI that was sarcasm) At roughly a mid point in the story, flash grabs Norman McCay and pulls him out of the Ethereal realm that the Spectre had moved him to.
A lot of people don't seem to realize that the Spectre did more than just render Norman McCay invisible, he moved him into a different dimension, most likly the realm of the Gods and the dead (as noted by his ability to actually SEE the gods and hear them talking, and his conversation with Deadman who normally requires a host.
And to answer master bruce's earlier question, Flash was subdued at the time (Thunder and lightning had him contained in what looks like a force feild of some kind) and unable to do anything about it. To me, given Flash's powers, Thunder and Lightning's power must be magical in nature, that the only logical way anyone could have stopped him.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Uh...no. That wasn't Barry Allen. It was a tribute to Barry Allen and an inside joke. Barry Allen is either one with the Speedforce (Flash Annual 11) or in DC's Heaven(Green Arrow 7). Take your pick. He is definately not in the Marvel U.And please provide some evidence of KC Flash existing in all dimensions? All we have no is "he said, she said" and quite frankly, that doesn't hold up very well.
Well to the Marvel writers, that was supposedly Flash. If you wanna call it a tribute, then fine. However, it was Barry Allen indeed. Amnesia saying "Buried Alien", same costume, and from another universe? Those were the signs right there. Youre right. Hes not in the Marvel Universe anymore, but he was for that brief amount of time.
Kingdom Come provides us with all the evidence you ask. Its not just "he said, she said" Spectre said it himself. Spectre and Norman were not even part of the plane of the World everyone else were on. They were on-looking as spirits. Purely spectators.
"A man too fast to be contained by one plane of existance. Apparently, entire strata of reality are open to him."
"So settled am I in my role as a spirit....that I have forgotten that fact!"
I holds up because Flash actually crossed over to another plane of existance and pulled Norman out of it into the current plane everyone else was in. What more evidence would you need?
Originally posted by jrodslam
Well to the Marvel writers, that was supposedly Flash. If you wanna call it a tribute, then fine. However, it was Barry Allen indeed. Amnesia saying "Buried Alien", same costume, and from another universe? Those were the signs right there. Youre right. Hes not in the Marvel Universe anymore, but he was for that brief amount of time.Kingdom Come provides us with all the evidence you ask. Its not just "he said, she said" Spectre said it himself. Spectre and Norman were not even part of the plane of the World everyone else were on. They were on-looking as spirits. Purely spectators.
"A man too fast to be contained by one plane of existance. Apparently, entire strata of reality are open to him."
"So settled am I in my role as a spirit....that I have forgotten that fact!"
I holds up because Flash actually crossed over to another plane of existance and pulled Norman out of it into the current plane everyone else was in. What more evidence would you need?
It wasn't Barry Allen. If anything it was a Barry Allen clone. DC would never acknowledge that as Barry Allen. If or when they do, i'll be the first to say I was wrong. However, copyright laws prohibit that character of ever being Barry Allen. DC would sue the pants off Marvel for using Flash. As much as you want to be Barry Allen, it was nothing but a tribute to a great character and the birth of a new character called Fast Forward.
How come it's PIS that Flash gets knocked out and not PIS that the Runner loses in that Galactic Marathon away? I'm sensing a strong bias. Not to mention that "personification of speed" is just a B list character from an Alternate Future who got knocked out and didn't really live up to the hype that the Spectre put on him.
I love Wally, he's probably one of my top 5 favorite characters. I just don't see him taking the Runner.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
It wasn't Barry Allen. If anything it was a Barry Allen clone. DC would never acknowledge that as Barry Allen. If or when they do, i'll be the first to say I was wrong. However, copyright laws prohibit that character of ever being Barry Allen. DC would sue the pants off Marvel for using Flash. As much as you want to be Barry Allen, it was nothing but a tribute to a great character and the birth of a new character called Fast Forward.How come it's PIS that Flash gets knocked out and not PIS that the Runner loses in that Galactic Marathon away? I'm sensing a strong bias. Not to mention that "personification of speed" is just a B list character from an Alternate Future who got knocked out and didn't really live up to the hype that the Spectre put on him.
I love Wally, he's probably one of my top 5 favorite characters. I just don't see him taking the Runner.
Of course copyright laws wouldnt allow Marvel to put the name "Flash" or "Barry Allen" in the comic without being sued. Everyone seems to know its Barry Allen but you. True its never been officially stated as so, but can you tell me anywhere theres an official Fast Forward bio? No because hes only made 2 appearances. 1 as Buried Alien and the other as Fast Forward.
Marvel just played it smart. Instead of Barry Allen, les give him amnesia and have him call himself Buried Alien. Les rip his suit instead of giving him the full costume. Tribute? Probably. But theres no other appearances, and no history on the character for a reason.
Who called it PIS that Flash got knocked out? I dont think it was. We dont even know what happened to him to even make that statement. It wasnt up to him to stop the nuke from hitting. It wasnt his place. In another thread, many people were even saying that Runner isnt faster than FLash. Feat wise and ability wise, Flash seemed to have him beat. What are some runner feats to prove other wise? Plus with the Flash speed stealing ability, theres no way Runner beats him. Some say Flash would get overloaded, but ive never seen him do so.
If DC doesn't acknowledge it as Barry Allen then it isn't canon. If it isn't canon then that is not the actual Barry Allen. That's all there is too it.
That would be like me drawing a stick figure in a Flash costume and naming it Bary Alen and saying Flash broke through to the second dimension. See where i'm getting? Flash is the fastest guy in the second dimension! My napkin proves he was there!
I don't think Flash could steal the Runners Speed. As far as I know, Flash hasn't been able to steal everyone's speed that he's tried to.
Hey man to me and everyone else who knows of the comic, we say its Barry Allen. Everyone but you that is.
Runner called him "The fastest man alive."
Quasar stated that "Hes an extra-dimensional. Perhaps from an alternate earth."
If you dont want to believe thats Barry, its your right man. 🙂
Whos speed has he tried to steal but failed to do so?
Originally posted by jrodslam
Hey man to me and everyone else who knows of the comic, we say its Barry Allen. Everyone but you that is.Runner called him "The fastest man alive."
Quasar stated that "Hes an extra-dimensional. Perhaps from an alternate earth."If you dont want to believe thats Barry, its your right man. 🙂
Whos speed has he tried to steal but failed to do so?
Hey man, you're just being delusional. I know you want to believe with all your heart that that is Barry, and that Santa Claus is really real. Fact of the matter is, Barry is still kickin' it in the DCU and has made numerous appearances in the DCU since he "died" in the Crisis.
And I can't answer your second question because I don't know for sure. It was heresay. I might have put my foot in my mouth with that one.
I'm still right about Fast Forward though. We can't count all Fanfics as canon now can we?
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Hey man, you're just being delusional. I know you want to believe with all your heart that that is Barry, and that Santa Claus is really real. Fact of the matter is, Barry is still kickin' it in the DCU and has made numerous appearances in the DCU since he "died" in the Crisis.
I took my piss today, so the delusions arent in effect. And Santa is real depending on youre interpretation of "Santa". Barry is still kickin it in the DCU, but at that time, he was kickin it in the MU for 2 issues lol. Guess he found his way back to his dimension. Havent you ever noticed there were never any official bios for him from Marvel? Barry went home.
Barry didnt just "die" in the Crisis. He died by running himself out of existence in the Crisis. Out of existance from DC to Marvel.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
And I can't answer your second question because I don't know for sure. It was heresay. I might have put my foot in my mouth with that one.I'm still right about Fast Forward though. We can't count all Fanfics as canon now can we?
Hey in all comics, theres only one "Fastest man Alive". And thats flash. In DC and Marvel. Dont you think DC could have sued Marvel for calling Buried Alien that. since that IS a DC nickname. Thats like them calling Iron Man "The Man of Steel" or Darerdevil "The Dark Knight".
Ahh well. Some like cucumbers better than pickles. 😄