whether u believe its absurd or not, its a stated fact in DC continuity. he never said that weak magic wouldnt work, or strong magic wouldnt work. he said magic wont work.
im not even talking about atoms device cause someone said that he doesnt travel with it normally and there was no prep. this was true so i conceded taht point. then i suggested taking a league squad. anything they do at that micro atomic level will bypass odin's magical defenses.
this is according to atom's theory. noone on this forum can disprove it. all ppl can say is that because odin is a sky father blah blah blah so this or that wont work. but u are assuming it wont work. atom has stated fact. fact beats assumptions at all times. even if atom is right and but works only on beings below skyfather level, we will never know because its not in the books.
whetehr we beleieve the theory is BS or not, it has to be accepted because its part of regular continuity. remember in regular continuity spidey punched out firelord, wolverine survived rogue tossing him into the ground "with the force of a meteor" and survived when he gets ko'd by regular ppl sometimes.
so i still feel atom's theory will hold until someone brings proof that on the subatomic level that atom and a miniturized JLA cant give odin a lobotomy.
as far as im concerned, the answer u're looking for doesnt exist. however, if im wrong, i will concede gracefully.
in the end it may just go to be that they can beat him easier in th DC universe than marvel's because of different universal laws.
No.
When someone changes something into something else, (ala Krugar used a spell of Strange's and turned adamantium into paper) they would have to change it completly, right down to the sub atomic area.
If it were true, then transmutation would be impossible, but obviously it isn't.
What was the reasoning behind the theory? Magic is just unexplored science, so it can do anything and more that already explored science can.
It's not even close to being accurate.
Sure, it may be in continuity, but there is a rule against those things called SMvFL, meaning a feat or proclaimation that goes against already set boundries and power. Which is against the rules for this baord.
And magic not being able to effect sub atomic levels is in direct conflict of everything else that has even been shown in comics, therefore its SmvFL and isn't a valid argument.
Originally posted by Solidus Snake
whether u believe its absurd or not, its a stated fact in DC continuity. he never said that weak magic wouldnt work, or strong magic wouldnt work. he said magic wont work.im not even talking about atoms device cause someone said that he doesnt travel with it normally and there was no prep. this was true so i conceded taht point. then i suggested taking a league squad. anything they do at that micro atomic level will bypass odin's magical defenses.
this is according to atom's theory. noone on this forum can disprove it. all ppl can say is that because odin is a sky father blah blah blah so this or that wont work. but u are assuming it wont work. atom has stated fact. fact beats assumptions at all times. even if atom is right and but works only on beings below skyfather level, we will never know because its not in the books.
whetehr we beleieve the theory is BS or not, it has to be accepted because its part of regular continuity. remember in regular continuity spidey punched out firelord, wolverine survived rogue tossing him into the ground "with the force of a meteor" and survived when he gets ko'd by regular ppl sometimes.
so i still feel atom's theory will hold until someone brings proof that on the subatomic level that atom and a miniturized JLA cant give odin a lobotomy.
as far as im concerned, the answer u're looking for doesnt exist. however, if im wrong, i will concede gracefully.in the end it may just go to be that they can beat him easier in th DC universe than marvel's because of different universal laws.
Atom stated a fact or a theory?
The Silver Surfer should be able to beat Odin, if subatomic size bypasses magic.
well it was a theory that atom proved.
i dont know how it explains transmutation. its not my theory. it could just be a plot hole DC created. but the fact is. it exists. and it works.
if surfer went subatomic and the rules apply in the marvel universe, odin's magic would not work on him. (according to the theory)
remember i never stated whether i felt the subatomic thing was good, bad, or a plot hole. its just something i accept cause atom proved it.
Originally posted by olympian
And we both know how well Surfer did against Odin in the Odin/Thanos fight.Atom saying it its mostly a theory. He never faced a skyfather before, how does he knows its the same thing.
he doesnt know. but he knows magic has no effect on it at the level he fought at. and until DC prints something to prove otherwise, it holds true.
It was proved against who. A high magical being? A Skyfather level being? No. It was proved against Darkseid whos none of the above.
"he doesnt know. but he knows magic has no effect on it at the level he fought at. and until DC prints something to prove otherwise, it holds true"
You aready answered the whole thing then. It works with beings on Darkseid level and with his organic structure.
"if surfer went subatomic and the rules apply in the marvel universe, odin's magic would not work on him. (according to the theory)"
When someone is on a higher level there are no rules to apply.
Its almost certainly not the case in the Marvel universe because magic interferes with science there. Either way both combatants would be fighting on a neutral battlefield where both their powers would work. Therefore the efficiencey of odins magic would be reduced on opponents working at the sub-atomic level. Reduced but not nullified. Thats only fair.
However for such opponents Odin only needs to tap into his cosmic resources to deal with them.
im reiterating though, i think the JLA could win with the members given. i would have flash pop in and out of star labs and the watch tower for a whole bunch of weapons. phantom zone projector, tessaract bombs, extra mother boxes, pocket nukes etc and work him over in a series of speed blitzes. id have flash get wonder womans armor and sword/spear etc. and id have aom work him over with nukes from the inside.
most importantly id have one of the GLs make a treadmill for jay and have it connected to some weapon of mass destruction. so the flash's running would power it.
in the end when half de leaugers are dead and odin's softend after several multi attack blitzes, id boom him into a blackhole or something or an imploding star.
now when odin got out, they better have some plan for dealing with him or hed kill them all.
i know u guys think odin is the end all be all, but thanos stale mated him, and i know that these guys are more than a match for thanos. all of the JLAers could take him down with minimal fatalities. so i feel they could take odin
the key players would be the flashes, teh GLs, zatanna for keeping odin off balanced cause i dont think shes powerful enough to injure him directly, dr. fate, captain marvel, orion, and superman as a blitzer (zatanna would prolly be there to make sure odin doesnt kill supes due to his magic vulnerability).
fate would be there as well to attack odin plus shield zatanna from his attacks. zatanna would be there to work over odins surroundings and heal the league.
"phantom zone projector"
Against a skyfather who can travel between dimensions, what help would that give.
"i know u guys think odin is the end all be all, but thanos stale mated him, and i know that these guys are more than a match for thanos. all of the JLAers could take him down with minimal fatalities. so i feel they could take odin"
A) Thanos didnt stalemated.
B) Sure the Jla - can- take Thanos. Its possible. But not without huge fatalities. When you have guys in the levels of Batman and Aquaman in the main team you can bet they wont get up. In fact below Wonder Woman level, most will.
"in the end when half de leaugers are dead and odin's softend after several multi attack blitzes, id boom him into a blackhole or something or an imploding star."
Heralds can survive in black holes. Guys at Thanos level can blow stars. Odin and Zeus are above all those.
i know....when the phantom zone projector was used on Gog, who im sure is on odin's level or near so, it took his skin off. i wasnt using it for battlefield removal.
i think with a proper plan and not just brute force its possible.
as i said tehre will be heavy fatalities.
bats and aquaman and the rest who can do nothing against odin will be there to assist injured leagurers/help w/ damage control.