but it says he has his belt, and that stuff is always in it.
Yeah, but it'll only work against someone like Croc, not someone extremely mobile like Shiva, who will mess him up enough. The fact that Batman doesn't know he'll be fighting Croc makes it less likely he'll bring up the gas pellets in time; it's possible, and likely if hurt bad enough, that Croc, who is extremely fast, will catch hold.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
That's very true, but this is Shiva that you're trying to argue against. She is, save perhaps Richard Dragon, the best. THE best.
Oh, I don't know about that. Ever heard of Val Armorr (the incomparable Karate Kid)? Asano Nitobe? The Bronze Tiger? Even Batgirl defeated Shiva.
Hell, the only reason Batman even gets past Batgirl (this is Cassie Cain, right?) is because of his belt.
. Batgirl ok he ****s up Batgirl Robin at the same time
2. Robin
3. Manbat kicks his ass
4. Clayface hard battle, but freezes his ass
5. Night Wing beats him up
6. Lady Shiva damn I dont think
7. Killer Croc
8. Bane (pumped with venom)
9. Azrael
10. Batman Beyond
11. Moon Knight
12. Dare Devil
13. Venom
He beats them all with ease ( welll not shiva clayface venom and Bane)
Oh, I don't know about that. Ever heard of Val Armorr (the incomparable Karate Kid)? Asano Nitobe? The Bronze Tiger? Even Batgirl defeated Shiva.Hell, the only reason Batman even gets past Batgirl (this is Cassie Cain, right?) is because of his belt.
I won't count Karate Kid because he's a dimension/world/whatever hopping traveler whom I also think is overpowered. Martial arts won't let you take a superhuman shot, sorry.
I think Bronze Tiger's skill pales to Shiva in the slightest bit, but you're right about Cass beating Shiva. Although, supposedly, Cass only beat her by knowing Shiva has a death wish and then exploited it. Still, that technically makes Cass the best martial artist, which is a title she officially holds.
This is the Gordon Batgirl, btw.
Originally posted by Never
Oh, I don't know about that. Ever heard of Val Armorr (the incomparable Karate Kid)? Asano Nitobe? The Bronze Tiger? Even Batgirl defeated Shiva.Hell, the only reason Batman even gets past Batgirl (this is Cassie Cain, right?) is because of his belt.
untrue, he does his blitz on her in cataclysm and grabs her throat to show that he can kill her
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I won't count Karate Kid because he's a dimension/world/whatever hopping traveler whom I also think is overpowered. Martial arts won't let you take a superhuman shot, sorry.I think Bronze Tiger's skill pales to Shiva in the slightest bit, but you're right about Cass beating Shiva. Although, supposedly, Cass only beat her by knowing Shiva has a death wish and then exploited it. Still, that technically makes Cass the best martial artist, which is a title she officially holds.
This is the Gordon Batgirl, btw.
Well, you did say the best 😉 Val has been "nerfed" a bit, if you will. On a scale of 1-10 PC Val was about a 15 in terms of martial arts.
Now? Heh, probably still a 12. Yeah, still easily superior to any in the aforementioned list.
"Pales to Shiva in the slightest bit" is a bit dubious -- I cannot tell if you are saying that his skill pales in comparison or...that she is slightly superior. I did throw his name out there as they are often mentioned in the same breath.
Oh, Barbara Gordon? Blah. He gets past her.
Solidus Snake, were you referending Cassandra Cain btw?
Originally posted by Linkalicious
But he fought the likes of the Mad Hatter, Joker, and Two Face.He didn't deal with Nightwing, Robin, Clayface, and Shiva.
he also got attacked by wild animals, suffered severe smoke inhallation, almost drowned, was beat up by ppl the size of houses (amygdala), got emotionally psyched out by zsasz, was under a great deal of stress, inhaled the scarecrows toxins, and had no sleep. and hed been under severe pressure before knightfall began
he showed this when he was fighting bane. how he had been passing blood for weks because of all the blows he was getting.
"Pales to Shiva in the slightest bit" is a bit dubious -- I cannot tell if you are saying that his skill pales in comparison or...that she is slightly superior. I did throw his name out there as they are often mentioned in the same breath.
I think Shiva is superior, at least by a marginal difference. Sorry for the shaky statement.
Originally posted by Never
Ah. So grabbing her by the throat = superior fighter?I'm willing to bet that Cassie defeats Batman at least 7/10. Alas, there is no way to "prove" it.
sigh....please read the book before u speak
it was a blitz that he and she can do. its unblockable and he did it to her faster than she could to him.
Originally posted by Solidus Snake
sigh....please read the book before u speakit was a blitz that he and she can do. its unblockable and he did it to her faster than she could to him.
Did you notice the question mark at the end of my sentence? It is a query in response to your quote here:
untrue, he does his blitz on her in cataclysm and >>>>>grabs her throat to show that he can kill her
No clue what the hell a "blitz" is with respect to Batman hence my focusing on the one part of your comment that I did understand.
So basically you're saying they had a blitz battle so that means he's a better fighter.
Okay.
Originally posted by Never
Did you notice the question mark at the end of my sentence? It is a query in response to your quote here:No clue what the hell a "blitz" is with respect to Batman hence my focusing on the one part of your comment that I did understand.
So basically you're saying they had a blitz battle so that means he's a better fighter.
Okay.
oh, im sorry, blitz is too supermanish...its called the suicide drill