Magic

Do you believe in magic?

I bought this book of spells recently, an encyclopedia of spells actually, everything from learning the initials of your future partner, to incantations for more money at your job.....
I'm sceptical of magic, it was just as a learning experience, it was a few bucks at this kitschy little book store downtown.....and no I haven't done any of them.

Do you think that these spells actually are possible and work?
Or are we just subliminally then programmed after say doing the spell for more money to work harder thereby making more money as a result or searching specifically for someone with those initials?

I don't believe in magic per say, but I believe that a person can change their life through positive thoughts, energy, and desire. And things like love spells and such may work if you have the desire for them to.

No, magic isn't real.
People who do believe in it are dilusional, i.e wiccans.

It's just escapism via faux power.

Wicca is a religion though, going back milleniums, so are all those people dillusional?

Originally posted by silver_tears

I don't believe in magic per say, but I believe that a person can change their life through positive thoughts, energy, and desire. And things like love spells and such may work if you have the desire for them to.

i say this part is the closest you'd ever get to anything. except the love spells, how do you make someone love you?

Wicca goes back decades, not millenia.

Magic is about as real as a funny Jimmy Fallon bit. Take that for what you will.

schaschzzzaaammmm...let me work a little of that magic

I don't believe in magic per se. I believe that each event that takes place can be looked at from a mathematical point of view.

And if there is a situation where the outside factors are almost identical to what happened a long time ago in a similar situation, then the same will happen, or something almost the same, with a small variation. HOWEVER, replicating the exact same situation, is EXTREMELY difficult, if not IMPOSSIBLE. But....it might be done. Here's a fictional example: 300 years ago, the temperature was 25 degrees Celsius in Sherwood forrest, the atmospheric pressure was xxx, and there was a pig running by (i'm just being silly). 3 women dressed as nuns sang a song, the vibrations making an almond fall from a tree. If done today under the exact same circumstances, an almond will fall from a tree. If done 300 years from now under the exact same circumstances, an almond will fall from a tree.

It's just a replication of what happened in the past. You know, probabilities and all that. THAT could be viewed as magic by simple minded people that read a book where it says: "Almond dropping spell". They try it, see it works and believe in magic.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by silver_tears
Wicca is a religion though, going back milleniums, so are all those people dillusional?

if you mean witchcraft then yes, but what does that prove?
they believed in pagan gods long before that, so does that give
it any validity? mankind has experienced delusion from beginning
of self awareness.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Wicca goes back decades, not millenia.

"Wicca is based on the symbols, seasonal days of celebration, beliefs and deities of ancient Celtic society. Added to this material were Masonic and ceremonial magickal components from recent centuries. In this respect, it is a religion whose roots go back almost three millennia to the formation of Celtic society circa 800 BCE."

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Originally posted by silver_tears
"Wicca is based on the symbols, seasonal days of celebration, beliefs and deities of ancient Celtic society. Added to this material were Masonic and ceremonial magickal components from recent centuries. In this respect, it is a religion whose roots go back almost three millennia to the formation of Celtic society circa 800 BCE."

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right, its a new religion based on a culmination of old religions. but ush is still correct in what he said

I like to believe that there is magic. But in reality I don't know if there is such force working in our world. Sure, I love magic in fiction books and stuff but in real life...it is just unknown.

I wish in a way that there was, but I don't really believe there is.

Originally posted by silver_tears
"Wicca is based on the symbols, seasonal days of celebration, beliefs and deities of ancient Celtic society. Added to this material were Masonic and ceremonial magickal components from recent centuries. In this respect, it is a religion whose roots go back almost three millennia to the formation of Celtic society circa 800 BCE."

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Yes, note, BASED upon. In the same way Judaism, Islam and Christianity are based upon the same principle.

But Wicca was founded in the 20th century and nothing you say or do can change that.

Originally posted by Mist
except the love spells, how do you make someone love you?

Well it helps if you have a lot of money and a nice car for one thing, then the nice lady will bend over backward for you, or forward, or any other position based on the numbered faces on each dollar bill you give her, and will continue to do so until you run out of money to give her. After which she gets half of everything you own as well as your house and car sometimes. At least that's how it worked for ME.. 😄

In fact... not wanting to sound like I am nialing in the point, but I do like to correct misconceptions...

Wicca is barely even Celtic at all. It's Greco-Roman and Norse but only a tiny bit of it is Celtic.

To give some quotes from a Wiccan website:

"Is Wicca Celtic?
No. Wicca has been influenced by a number of ancient soceities, the Celts included, but Wicca is a thoroughly modern phenomena.

I'm not even sure where this misconception comes from. The Major Sabbats are based on Celtic holidays, but the minor Sabbats are largely Norse. The Celtic god Cernunnos is a prominent figure, but so is the Roman Diana.

It is true that many other elements of Wicca are called Celtic, but these claims are largely in error. For instance, there are claims that our dualistic God and Goddess are Celtic, but this simply isn't true. Neither are the four elements - I believe those originate in Greco-Roman thought. Why we attribute so much of Wicca to the Celts continues to elude me."

Originally posted by Ushgarak
In fact... not wanting to sound like I am nialing in the point, but I do like to correct misconceptions...

Wicca is barely even Celtic at all. It's Greco-Roman and Norse but only a tiny bit of it is Celtic.

To give some quotes from a Wiccan website:

"Is Wicca Celtic?
No. Wicca has been influenced by a number of ancient soceities, the Celts included, but Wicca is a thoroughly modern phenomena.

I'm not even sure where this misconception comes from. The Major Sabbats are based on Celtic holidays, but the minor Sabbats are largely Norse. The Celtic god Cernunnos is a prominent figure, but so is the Roman Diana.

It is true that many other elements of Wicca are called Celtic, but these claims are largely in error. For instance, there are claims that our dualistic God and Goddess are Celtic, but this simply isn't true. Neither are the four elements - I believe those originate in Greco-Roman thought. Why we attribute so much of Wicca to the Celts continues to elude me."

With all this....you still haven't answered the initial question.

~wickerman~

Nor was I intending to, as should be obvious from reading the convo in the thread I have had with ST.

Originally posted by silver_tears
Do you believe in magic?

I bought this book of spells recently, an encyclopedia of spells actually, everything from learning the initials of your future partner, to incantations for more money at your job.....
I'm sceptical of magic, it was just as a learning experience, it was a few bucks at this kitschy little book store downtown.....and no I haven't done any of them.

Do you think that these spells actually are possible and work?
Or are we just subliminally then programmed after say doing the spell for more money to work harder thereby making more money as a result or searching specifically for someone with those initials?

I don't believe in magic per say, but I believe that a person can change their life through positive thoughts, energy, and desire. And things like love spells and such may work if you have the desire for them to.

Magic is fake, especially that guy John Edwards.

Originally posted by Freaky Zeeky
Magic is fake, especially that guy John Edwards.

You're confusing mysticism with illusionism

~wickerman~