Doc Ock Vs Wolverine

Started by CorderaMitchell84 pages

Originally posted by X-Logan
I´ve never said that Logan is as strong as Parker.

I said that Logan is stronger than Caps(peak human).

Spidey (superhuman) > Wolvie (enhanced human) >Cap (peak human)

Its roughly the same as cap, I mentioned that.

Cap is the pinnacle of the a human, wolverine is enhanced by the skelton, but is regarded to as either a peak human, or a superhuman, enhanced is too vague, a superhuman can be ENHANCED by something, see what I mean?

So by your meaning, you are also saying that enhanced is the same as superhuman, because they lie the same on that scale.

Terminoligy doesn't matter, because its the numbers that do, especially in this case.

When did the adamantium tentacles go away?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like a hot knife through butter. . . hmm . . .I'm going to have to rethink this. . .

Yeah...you should. 😎

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its roughly the same as cap, I mentioned that.

Cap is the pinnacle of the a human, wolverine is enhanced by the skelton, but is regarded to as either a peak human, or a superhuman, enhanced is too vague, a superhuman can be ENHANCED by something, see what I mean?

So by your meaning, you are also saying that enhanced is the same as superhuman, because they lie the same on that scale.

Terminoligy doesn't matter, because its the numbers that do, especially in this case.

When did the adamantium tentacles go away?

Wolverine's strength is greater than that of peak human, this is because of the adamantium.

Wolverine would then have very mild superhuman strength.

Can machines see the X-Men again? Cause I know for a while they were rendered undetectable by electronic means. . .

And wolverine didn't pass through the seige perilous either. . . so he should still be undetectable to machines. . .

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its roughly the same as cap, I mentioned that.

Cap is the pinnacle of the a human, wolverine is enhanced by the skelton, but is regarded to as either a peak human, or a superhuman, enhanced is too vague, a superhuman can be ENHANCED by something, see what I mean?

So by your meaning, you are also saying that enhanced is the same as superhuman, because they lie the same on that scale.

Terminoligy doesn't matter, because its the numbers that do, especially in this case.

When did the adamantium tentacles go away?


No,I didnt say that enhanced is the same as superhuman. I´m just saying(and I´ve proved)that Logan is stronger than a peak human like Cap.Fact.The same way Logan is faster and have better reflexes than a peak human like Cap or DD.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine's strength is greater than that of peak human, this is because of the adamantium.

Wolverine would then have very mild superhuman strength.


Yes.That is what I´m trying to say.The same goes for Logan agility and speed.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Can machines see the X-Men again? Cause I know for a while they were rendered undetectable by electronic means. . .

Yes,they can.That was a forgotten plot by marvel.

Man if that argument was passed, that would have devoured Cordera's whole argument, and defacated it right down Doc Oc's severd neck! 😱

Cordera through in the towel I think

After a long heated battle. WOLVERINES FINAL WIN.

I'm going to say Draw actually

I guess that might work.

I say whoever wins makes the other look bad but I'm leaning towards Logan.

Originally posted by X-Logan
No,I didnt say that enhanced is the same as superhuman. I´m just saying(and I´ve proved)that Logan is stronger than a peak human like Cap.Fact.The same way Logan is faster and have better reflexes than a peak human like Cap or DD.

Its roughly around there, you wouldn't prove it in writing with details so minor.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine's strength is greater than that of peak human, this is because of the adamantium.

Wolverine would then have very mild superhuman strength.

Wolverine is an 800 lifter, he IS enhanced by the adamantium, he is NOT superhuman isn strength, agility, etc.

You can be enhanced and be on any part of the scale, wolverine doesn't have superhuman strength.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Just like you said earlier? Well the if his weapons think for him, then it's basically trying to outwhit 4 machines thatwhere designed for science instead of of war

Read above, it's not that hard to fool machines.

No they aren't the think and react, you are thinking of movies. The claws support him, and he's been in many fights with them, he still has better range, speed, strength etc.

I'm not going by a boss battle, they are two even opponents, A and B, Dock would outsmart logan anyday, he has too many options here.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Huh? What I said was, if Wolverine cut out 2 of those tendrils, Ocs balance would be off for a little while (Depending n which tendrils he takes out)

That wouldn't be true. I'm assuming you mean JUST the claw part, and not the entire tendril, which woud mean he'd need to be far away.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
My method for taking out claws that move that fast would simply be to slash at them when they come at me. and if Oc's fighting from a distance, then that still leaves enough time to made a good strike against two of the legs (They may move at 90 KPH, but if I'm more than six meters away and I had Wolverines trained and refined reflexes and claws, I recom I could do a double slash before those claws got to me).

I understand that, but his claws have been up to worse.

Spiderman has greater speed and reflexes than wolverine AND precognition.

His chances are too low, Ock wins just by dismissing leverage by grabbing one arm, its not too difficult, seeing as they are MUCH faster.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I know, That doesn't mean that he's nigh invulnerable because of them, Otherwise Oc would be kickig total arse even over the likes of Dr. Doom and Hulk...

Just like the healing factor doesn't make him invurnerable, but wolverine doesn't have the advantages OR the options in this match, much like storm vs iron man.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Agreed, and since we have not been stipulated on which versions of the characters we can use, I am going to say that this debate has been utterly pointless since we don't know which vesins of the haracters we should be pitting against who...

Just the more current ones, but the fact remains, their stats. This isn't like superman (precrisis, prime), and he still is outsurpassed here in offense.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And viceversa, remember Wilverine can simply impale the incoming claws right in the optics, and a claw coming in at 90KPH isn't going to be able to stop itself running into 3 adimatium blades at the last split second...

Yes, but you are assuming they are going to come 1 at a time, this is bloodlust. Ock is fighting his best, wolverine would have to come in to do any real damage, he slices one off, one grabs the arm, and his leverage is one.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Why would he retreat when he has uch advantages? (Stupid question)

Anyways to irror what I said above... Since we have not been stipulated on which versions of the characters we can use, I am going to say that this debate has been utterly pointless since we don't know which vesins of the haracters we should be pitting against who...

Just current comic versions, but I'm expressing the optoions here, he can pick up instruments and guard, go up walls.

Logan is limited to the ground, he CAN win,but he has to do so much more than ock, and his physicality isn't winning him this, just the claws, which have shorter range, weaker, slower, etc.

wolverine claws through the tenticals..then he claws through the good doctor...

Ock grabs one of his arms, thus he loses leverage...

wolverine slices his tentical with other arm thus regaining leverage...

Tentacles are faster than wolveine, he loses.