Question: Are the "True Beyonders" outside of the normal Marvel multiverse?
Apparently no one has ever seen True Beyonders in the MU, however, it is widely excepted that they do exist. It never has been stated where exactly the Beyond Realm is. If they do lie outside of Marvel's multiverse, then it is very probable that they could match the power of THOTU.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Question: Are the "True Beyonders" outside of the normal Marvel multiverse?Apparently no one has ever seen True Beyonders in the MU, however, it is widely excepted that they do exist. It never has been stated where exactly the Beyond Realm is. If they do lie outside of Marvel's multiverse, then it is very probable that they could match the power of THOTU.
LT, Chaos, and Order were beyond space/time talking about the beyond realm.
The cubes are product of its energy.
so therefore ...................
😕 😕
Originally posted by Ethereal
Yeah Pre-Ret Beyonders even more impressive than ..phoenix too.😄
Well actually thats not entirely true. Beyonder scared LT and the Phoenix power was shown in Xmen Forever to be enough to bring LT to his knees. Beyonder was supposed to be his multiverse embodied and Phoenix is the sum and substance of all life in existence as she says "Nothing that is is not touched by me....All that is i am.....the stars and the planets are my children"
But anyway im getting sidetracked Phoenix isnt involved in this discussion 😄
Beyonder in his original form was more impressive
Originally posted by demigawd
What's the difference between the multiverse and the omniverse? How many universes comprise the multiverse? Where does one multiverse end and the next begin? What's a dimension?Unknown.
According to some, the Omniverse is greater then the multerverse because the Omniverse is composed of every multiverse (DC, Image, Vertigo, Marvel, Dark Horse, etc.)
ok, so then Marvel is a multiverse, DC is a multiverse, Image is a multiverse, etc. But all of them together are an omniverse? If that's the case, then the God in one is the God in all of them, right? Does that mean that there's something greater than the Presence that all multivereses yield to? There's no Phoenix in DC or Image...does that mean that Phoenix does not have jurisdiction in another multiverse?
GS - what do you think?
Originally posted by demigawd
ok, so then Marvel is a multiverse, DC is a multiverse, Image is a multiverse, etc. But all of them together are an omniverse? If that's the case, then the God in one is the God in all of them, right? Does that mean that there's something greater than the Presence that all multivereses yield to? There's no Phoenix in DC or Image...does that mean that Phoenix does not have jurisdiction in another multiverse?GS - what do you think?
I guess so !!!
That means LT is just another ... "herald" and Odin iss just a "street guy"
Originally posted by demigawd
What's the difference between the multiverse and the omniverse? How many universes comprise the multiverse? Where does one multiverse end and the next begin? What's a dimension?
Unknown.
Good questions..
My thought has always been that Marvel, DC, Image, Real world, etc, etc...are all seperate "multiverses." Essentially each are a collection of universes, comprised of different realities, which are interelated by a common link which exist within them all...such as THOTU.
What seperates DC, Marvel, Image, Real world etc so they are not defined as one multiverse?
Answer: No "common link" and the laws that each are governed by.
THOTU does not exist in the DCU, Image Universe, Dark Horse Universe, etc..etc...nor do the laws that govern it.
The Omniverse would be a a loose unlinked collection of all these distinct multiverses.
How do we know that the Omniverse in itself isn't just one big multiverse?
Short answer: We don't...but until a common link is found relating all respective multiverses..such as the HOTU..I believe its fair to assume that each multiverse is a seperate entity, or in lamans terms it has a seperate or discrete existence.
Confusing..eh.. 😕 😄
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Question: Are the "True Beyonders" outside of the normal Marvel multiverse?Apparently no one has ever seen True Beyonders in the MU, however, it is widely excepted that they do exist. It never has been stated where exactly the Beyond Realm is. If they do lie outside of Marvel's multiverse, then it is very probable that they could match the power of THOTU.
The only person to actually been in the beyonders dimension is the High Evolutionary and he went mad because he couldn't comprehend anything in there, and that's a guy who has genius IQ.
Originally posted by demigawd
Yes, but Magneto Prime still has the best on panel feats of all! Omniversal destruction! Go Magneto!!!!
This "Magneto Prime" ( 🙄 ridiculous lol) also has better on panel feats than LT and TOAA but that doesnt mean he's more powerful does it? Keep on dreaming Demi lol. After we find out in a few issues who's really behind all of this trouble then you can always place your hope in CC giving him a proper upgrade.
I believe that Marvel, DC etc all the comic book companies have multiverses but for the sake of crossovers theres an omniverse which encompasses all of the companies. I think in such crossovers that the supreme being is one and the same. But obviously thats not the case for the companies in normal circumstances where the multiverses are completely seperate and not linked at all. I belive that in crossovers that beings which share similar roles even if they dont share similar power levels in their respective multiverses may be lumped together as one or shown to be different incarnations of the same thing. For example In Marvel one of Phoenixes roles is to take humanity to that final point of evolution wherein they surpass the abstracts and become one with creation enabling phoenix to bring about the end. Phoenix in other words brings man to the point of godhood. In Dc it is the Source that made the New Gods into what they are it raised them to the point of godhood. In a Xmen and Teen titans crossover Darkseid resurrected a psionic shell of Dark Phoenix by empowering Dark Phoenixes psychic residue left on earth with energies from the source. At the end of the title that shard of Phoenix flew back to the Source to be complete all in all suggesting that in the crossover ominverse theres a force that is the Phoenix in Marvel and the Source in DC.
If you remember right when the beyonder came to marvel and was first "seen" in SW2; he walked right through all the big brass. Eternity, Death, Celestials. You name it he owned them. I doubt there was anything anyone would do about it.
If I remember right he was also omnicient and knew what he wanted to know about what others were going to do to him but since he was also omnipotent he figed. who really cares.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Could go either way
Not a chance...
It was repeatedly emphasized that Pre-Retcon Beyonder was atleast a million times greater than our reality and everything in it combined...
That description includes the HotU/I and the Infinity Gems (even though they havent been discovered/true power realized, they were still there)...
Thanos gets annihilated as a result...
Classic Beyonder 10000000/10...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderit never once said Beyonder was more powerful than TOAA, who's power Thanos.
Not a chance...It was repeatedly emphasized that Pre-Retcon Beyonder was atleast a million times greater than our reality and everything in it combined...
That description includes the HotU/I and the Infinity Gems (even though they havent been discovered/true power realized, they were still there)...
Thanos gets annihilated as a result...
Classic Beyonder 10000000/10...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderyou're so a child , we are talking about TOAA's power.
Fail...Classic Beyonder was stated on panel to be far greater than our reality and 'everything in it combined.'
Tell me, where was the HotU/I located?
Lol...Classic Beyonder crushes him.
TOAA essentially created Beyonder and everything within Marvel.
Get over your butthurt it makes you look sad.