If Qui-Gon Jin's Survived

Originally posted by Captain REX
What? Qui-Gon was certainly more powerful than Obi-Wan; he discovered the path to immortality. He just wans't that great a swordsman, apparently.

Obi wan is far more powerful then Qui-gon was.

finding out how to be immortal, granted, is good, but had ROTS obi fought Qui-gon, Obi would anal rape him. in every way, it was Qui-gons way of thinkig about the force that gave him the ability to find out how to become a force ghost. he, unlike most jedi, was more one with the will of the force "the living force" as he calls it. he focoused on what the force told him, rather then trying to control it. as most other jedi do.

Originally posted by Captain REX
So we noticed.

No, Aduruth; Qui-Gon was definitely more in-tune with the Force than his apprentice, unless you also forgot that last piece there. Obi-Wan was powerful and wise and a skilled swordsman, but Qui-Gon outdid him with the first two.

thanks thats wat i meant i just got mixed up in wat i was gonna say. and wen i'd say it.

If Qui-Gon fought ANY post-Clone Wars Jedi, yeah, he'd have a bit of trouble. The Clone Wars advanced everyone quite far on the experience level.

Qui-Gon would have been an excellent master for Anakin because he has more exp then Obi-Wan and I'm sure Dooku left because Qui-Gon died. (That is 1 of the reasons many believe why Dooku left)

If Qui-gon survived would Anakin have ever gotten trained? Last I checked, the only reason Anakin was allowed to be trained was because a stubborn Obi-wan (faithful student that he is) let Yoda know that it was Qui-gon's death wish, and that he would train Anakin regardless of what the council decided. So if Qui-gon survived, then all that was mentioned becomes mute and it's back to the council, led by Yoda, not allowing Anakin to be trained.

Arbiter, Dooku left because he thought the Republic was going to go down in flames, and Qui-Gon's death because of their inaction regarding Naboo was the final straw.

Qui-Gon would have trained Anakin anyway, I'm sure. Did you not note that Qui-Gon was a rebel?

Originally posted by Captain REX
Qui-Gon would have trained Anakin anyway, I'm sure. Did you not note that Qui-Gon was a rebel?

He was a rebel, but nowhere near to the extent of blatantly defying the entire council to train Anakin. If he did so he would probably be reprimanded, or even expelled due to the council's seriousness on the matter. But then again he did see some great cause with Anakin, and would probably go through with it and find some way to train him, regardless of his own consequences.

Originally posted by systemshock2
He was a rebel, but nowhere near to the extent of blatantly defying the entire council to train Anakin. If he did so he would probably be reprimanded, or even expelled due to the council's seriousness on the matter. But then again he did see some great cause with Anakin, and would probably go through with it and find some way to train him, regardless of his own consequences.

If he didn't DIE, I'm sure slaying a Sith would turn some heads. He definitely would have been rebellious enough to train Anakin. Obi-Wan was already capable of standing on his own, he didn't need a master any more, Qui-Gon would rather willingly defy the council. He's defied the council on far more trivial levels than the "chosen one".

Originally posted by tlbauerle
However, if you are referring to Qui-Gon's 'Gin'...you can find a bottle at the Grill.

There's always some a*se with retarded answers and personal attacks. If you're so offended, slit your wrists making us all a favour.

Back to topic. IMO Qui Gon would not join Dooku. He did disagree with the council on many levels but not at that point. Maybe Qui Gon could dissuade Dooku or kill him trying, though dooku had a far better technic than maul and we all know what happened to QG.

I believe QG would keep Anakin closer to him, preventing anakin's proximity with palp. I think QG would have better learn how to reach anakin and speak to him (a thing that obi1 didn't managed because like we see in AOTC they're always having issues about every little thing).

The rebeldy in QG, could not have turn the events but, it sure could have made things quite different.

ive done some background reading on the 6 movies in my time and i learned some things about qui-gon that might be of use here....

he was not as bad a swordsman as everyone seemes to think here, in fact Count Dooku himself belived him to be the best swordsman of all Jedi (except for himself). his strength with the Force was considered in the same levels as Yoda and Windu, as was his power. he was also considered one of the wisest of all Jedi.

dont forget, qui-gon was about 70 years old when Episode 1 was set. Darth Maul wasnt even 30. How exactly was he supposed to win? Plus, Darth Maul's master was more powerful than Dooku, so you could argue that Maul's training was more advanced, especially as being a sith, he would do anything to win, whereas a Jedi has more of a moral code to follow.

If all things were eve, age, same time, having fought in the same battles....qui-gon would beat obi-wan AND darth maul. he probably would also beat Dooku, as Dooku's character had more flaws than Qui-Gon. Perhaps only Yoda, Windu, Potential Anakin (NOT ROTS anaking OR Vader!!!!) and Sidious could have beaten him.

Now normally I don't support necro threads, but skimming through this one I came to an interesting conclusion:

Qui-Gon alive wouldn't have changed anything.

Anakin falls because of his attachment to his mother (whom he looses) and his attachment to Padme (whom he fears losing.)

Qui-gon would have been sympathetic to him, but in the end his answer would be similar to Yoda's: "You can't hold on to her, you have to let go. It is the way of the Living Force that people come and go, we all die, etc..."

Proof of this is that he does nothing to intervene in Anakins situation with Shmi, had he wanted to he could have arrested Watto for slave-driving... an illegal activity in the Republic and freed Shmi.

But he lets things be, knowing that Anakin shouldn't have attachments.

So Shmi still dies and Anakin would have turned to Palps anyway to save Padme.

It just would have been more tragic because Qui-Gon would've been nicer to him and really felt betrayed.

Meh. As much as I hate to say it, something tells me that even if Qui-Gon Jin hadn't of died against Darth Maul, he would've ended up getting over-powered/surrounded by Clone Troopers, like how most of the other Jedi got killed in episode III. The opposite's also possible though (about him being one of the lucky survivors like Obi-wan and Yoda).

As for whether he would join Count Dooku or try to take him down, that's a good question. If it's true that he was once Dooku's apprentice, then perhaps he would. If he did join him though, something tells me he'd end up betraying him once he found out Dooku was under the wing of Darth Sidious (unless of course if Qui-Gon ends up turning to the dark side, which I doubt he would).

Either way, I don't think Obi-wan knew Qui-Gon truly as well as he thought he did when he said "Qui-Gon would never join you" in episode II.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Now normally I don't support necro threads, but skimming through this one I came to an interesting conclusion:

Qui-Gon alive wouldn't have changed anything.

Anakin falls because of his attachment to his mother (whom he looses) and his attachment to Padme (whom he fears losing.)

Qui-gon would have been sympathetic to him, but in the end his answer would be similar to Yoda's: "You can't hold on to her, you have to let go. It is the way of the Living Force that people come and go, we all die, etc..."

Proof of this is that he does nothing to intervene in Anakins situation with Shmi, had he wanted to he could have arrested Watto for slave-driving... an illegal activity in the Republic and freed Shmi.

But he lets things be, knowing that Anakin shouldn't have attachments.

So Shmi still dies and Anakin would have turned to Palps anyway to save Padme.

It just would have been more tragic because Qui-Gon would've been nicer to him and really felt betrayed.

And if he was truly aware of the corruption in the Senate, chances are he would have kept Anakin away from Palpatine.

Who keeps digging up these old threads?

Originally posted by queeq
Who keeps digging up these old threads?

Okay... let's hear it.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I agree, except for the Padme part. I firmly believe that Qui-Gon would not have let those two get together.

And if he was truly aware of the corruption in the Senate, chances are he would have kept Anakin away from Palpatine.

That part wouldn't have changed.

Had Qui-gon lived, they still win the Battle of Naboo.

Padme still comes back 10 years later as senator to vote against an army. Palps still sets up her "assasination" and has the Council assign her an old jedi friend as a protector...with Anakin as the apprentice.

He'd still fall in love, and get together with her in secret.

So Qui-gon, just as Obi-wan would have no say in if Anakin got together with Padme.

I think that he would have been more sympathetic about it though.... still he would not have the answer Anakin was looking for when faced with bad dreams.

Qui-gon living would have changed nothing.

Closing?

Well Personally here is what i think.

If Qui-Gon-Jinn were to live the council would probibally elevate him to be on the Council and would be unable to Train a Padawan due to the Drain on his time and he would have sayed something like this "My Time as a Master is over i am too old to train another padawan so it is you who will have to Train Anakin Obi-Wan."

Due to that i belive Anakin would still be friends with palpy but on the other side of the fence GOOD friends with Qui-Gon so it would be Palpy's Influence vs Qui's Influence aginst anakin in which due to Palpatine's "Not by a Jedi" line to Anakin about the power to save people he would have fallen and Qui-Gon-Jinn would have been a victim of order 66 in which i belive to make the story better Anakin would Duel Qui-Gon-Jinn in the Jedi Temple in OPERATION KNIGHTFALL in which i personally belive would be protecting the Younglings in the council Chamber.

So in other words ANAKIN's DESTINY IS TO BE LORD VADER

I think the point is, hence the name Duel of the Fates, that had Qui-Gon lived Anakin would not have turned. But then... what about the prophecy. Maybe QGJ would have stood in the way of fullfilment of that prophecy and the Sith may have ruled forever.

well QUEEQ this is a WHAT IF scenerio so that reply dident really mean anything to this post. so yea.

Anyway i made my point up there 😄

so Queeq *says respectfully* come back when you have something Intelligent to say about this Topic ok. Have a good one man