Dooku's other is very much alike. Saruman.
Dooku and Saruman where both good until the villian (Sidious/Sauron) came along and changed them to evil. Both created a huge army. Both armies were defeated. Dooku and Saruman both died in 3.
3= Revenge of the Sith
3= Return of the King
Both were the biggest threat in number 2.
2= Attack of the Clones
2= The Two Towers
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I''ve been banned and I'm white. Racist loser.
Muslims are not a race to begin with. Second of all white is not a race infact Humanity isn't even a race, it is a subrace. If you can inbreed with anything, you are of the same race or subrace. Scientifically speaking of course in relation to taxonomy. According to popular term race, Muslims are still not a race since they are made up of(in general) North Africans, Sub-Saharan Africans, Middle-Easterns, South Eastern Europeans, Central Asians and South East Asians.
Originally posted by ArbiterYa know, I have never noticed that before.
Dooku's other is very much alike. Saruman.
Dooku and Saruman where both good until the villian (Sidious/Sauron) came along and changed them to evil. Both created a huge army. Both armies were defeated. Dooku and Saruman both died in 3.
3= Revenge of the Sith
3= Return of the King
Both were the biggest threat in number 2.
2= Attack of the Clones
2= The Two Towers
Originally posted by DarkAge
You could say that Sidious and the Sith represent Lucifer, characters who had angelic qualities but then became fallen angels who gained rule over Hell.The Force is God and good people become one with it when they die.
Anakin is Damien, the son of the devil.
You are merely basing a myth on a myth.
God=good, and Devil=evil, the thing is both are one and the same. In fact the two do not exist in a sense. There is a reason why I call myself Neutrality, not that neutrality is a state of being that stays out of the fight between the to opposing elements, but in that it takes from both. Some heretical forms of Christianity (Cathari) and Islam (Sufis) make make god both evil and good (well Catharism makes two gods, but same thing). One could say that god in the harmonization of the conscoius and unconscious, as Jesus would say, 'the father is in me, and I am in the father'.
I can see the force as the same thing, not in the same form exactly. According to Jungians the unconscious can drive us to be attracted to certain individuals, just like the "trust in you feelings luke".
The thought of using archetypes is a complex thing and would require me to write an essay on them in the context of SW inorder to make any sense out of it. I would suggest reading "Man and his Symbols" a book by Carl Jung and four other Jungians. The third section I find is the best, save that of Jung himself. I am unsure who Lucas researched for two years before making the first Star Wars, it may have been Joseph Campbell, but Campbell was influenced by Jung. All I know is that Joseph Campbell would later say that Star Wars is a modern myth. Campbell dying in 1985. It would be interesting what Jung would say if he was only able to live up to 100 years, but he died in 1965.
Originally posted by Arbiter
Dooku's other is very much alike. Saruman.
Dooku and Saruman where both good until the villian (Sidious/Sauron) came along and changed them to evil. Both created a huge army. Both armies were defeated. Dooku and Saruman both died in 3.
3= Revenge of the Sith
3= Return of the King
Both were the biggest threat in number 2.
2= Attack of the Clones
2= The Two Towers
hmmm Saruman, didn't died I think. He and wormtongue (in the book) still manage to attack the shire and If I remember correctly they flee, when they're on the verge of defeat. Must read it again, but ROTK doesn't end the way we see it in the movie.
Originally posted by Darth_RankkorNope.
hmmm Saruman, didn't died I think. He and wormtongue (in the book) still manage to attack the shire and If I remember correctly they flee, when they're on the verge of defeat. Must read it again, but ROTK doesn't end the way we see it in the movie.
Saruman pisses off Wormtongue too many times, and he slits the wizards throat and runs off. But the Hobbits shoot him down.
Originally posted by NeutralityChrist man......Lighten Up!
You are merely basing a myth on a myth.
God=good, and Devil=evil, the thing is both are one and the same. In fact the two do not exist in a sense. There is a reason why I call myself Neutrality, not that neutrality is a state of being that stays out of the fight between the to opposing elements, but in that it takes from both. Some heretical forms of Christianity (Cathari) and Islam (Sufis) make make god both evil and good (well Catharism makes two gods, but same thing). One could say that god in the harmonization of the conscoius and unconscious, as Jesus would say, 'the father is in me, and I am in the father'.I can see the force as the same thing, not in the same form exactly. According to Jungians the unconscious can drive us to be attracted to certain individuals, just like the "trust in you feelings luke".
The thought of using archetypes is a complex thing and would require me to write an essay on them in the context of SW inorder to make any sense out of it. I would suggest reading "Man and his Symbols" a book by Carl Jung and four other Jungians. The third section I find is the best, save that of Jung himself. I am unsure who Lucas researched for two years before making the first Star Wars, it may have been Joseph Campbell, but Campbell was influenced by Jung. All I know is that Joseph Campbell would later say that Star Wars is a modern myth. Campbell dying in 1985. It would be interesting what Jung would say if he was only able to live up to 100 years, but he died in 1965.
The poor guy was just making a comparison according to common knowledge.
Lucifer rebelled, he's bad.
God created the the Cosmos, he's good.
I'm an agnostic so I'm neutral as well. But to get so deeply involved in saying that if we are going to compare SW to real life, we first must do some research into finding out what GL based it off of........well that's just sad.
It's a freakin movie. It's not real. It never was nor will be. We don't need to keep looking at GL's muse for his idea.
In the books, at least.
Really, Sidious is the epitome of evil, not based on Hitler.
The only real-life things that I can think of is Han Solo's blaster being a German pistol, the stormtrooper guns being a British Sterling (same for most guns in the OT), the stormtroopers being based off of Nazi stormtroopers by name, and the Imperial officers being based on Nazi officers.
Everything else is based in lore.
Originally posted by Darth_Rankkor
hmmm Saruman, didn't died I think. He and wormtongue (in the book) still manage to attack the shire and If I remember correctly they flee, when they're on the verge of defeat. Must read it again, but ROTK doesn't end the way we see it in the movie.
Wormtoung slits Saruman's throat.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Christ man......Lighten Up!The poor guy was just making a comparison according to common knowledge.
Lucifer rebelled, he's bad.
God created the the Cosmos, he's good.
I'm an agnostic so I'm neutral as well. But to get so deeply involved in saying that if we are going to compare SW to real life, we first must do some research into finding out what GL based it off of........well that's just sad.
It's a freakin movie. It's not real. It never was nor will be. We don't need to keep looking at GL's muse for his idea.
Yes he was making a comparison, and I put my own opinion in the matter. Plus 'Lighten Up' (this goes to you to, Lord Caltor) is a relative term, and you have no way of knowing that I may have casually wrote that post (which I did). Plus, unlike you , I have done research into what GL based it off (including his own twists).
Also I never said it was real life (or comparing it to).. I did say it was a myth, but that is not real (despite myth being linked to ones 'Self' - and even then the reality is far different than the myth.).
Originally posted by Tangible God
Nope.Saruman pisses off Wormtongue too many times, and he slits the wizards throat and runs off. But the Hobbits shoot him down.
I never liked Saruman - it's not because he's evil. Not at all. It's because of how stupid and incompetent he becomes in his corruption. Like when he grows arrogant and sheds his title of Saruman the White to become Saruman of Many Colors. I mean, when he donned those rainbow robes, that was pretty fruity when I first read it (of course, I was about a child, about nine or ten, so I didn't see anything beyond the application to the Colors of the Sacred Fire). Anyways, he starts off as the most powerful Istari on Middle Earth and gradually becomes a scummy idiot who can't even stop his own snivelling servant from killing him. Sauron was a much cooler character, though he too fell in a kind of ridiculous way. Gothmog (the original one, from the Silmarillion) and Carcharoth were two of the best baddies, overall, I think.
My apologies for the interruption. I just agree that Saruman goes down big time after he is corrupted and I lost a great deal of respect for him. Peace be with you all.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Christ man......Lighten Up!The poor guy was just making a comparison according to common knowledge.
Lucifer rebelled, he's bad.
God created the the Cosmos, he's good.
I'm an agnostic so I'm neutral as well. But to get so deeply involved in saying that if we are going to compare SW to real life, we first must do some research into finding out what GL based it off of........well that's just sad.
It's a freakin movie. It's not real. It never was nor will be. We don't need to keep looking at GL's muse for his idea.
I am suprised that anyone here even knows who Lucifer is.
Originally posted by darthrevan89
I am suprised that anyone here even knows who Lucifer is.
Yeah, he is Jesus Christ. Lucifer meaning the Light Bringer or Morning Star, Jesus claimed to be both these things.
But theology aside, Lucifer was a common name. Lucifer was a leader of the Luciferians, an opponent against Arianism/Arius (Jesus is not divine). Later Jerome would declare Lucifer a heretic. Unfortunatly, all we know of Luciferianism is from Jerome.
Originally posted by Neutrality
Yeah, he is Jesus Christ. Lucifer meaning the Light Bringer or Morning Star, Jesus claimed to be both these things.But theology aside, Lucifer was a common name. Lucifer was a leader of the Luciferians, an opponent against Arianism/Arius (Jesus is not divine). Later Jerome would declare Lucifer a heretic. Unfortunatly, all we know of Luciferianism is from Jerome.
While this would be better placed in the philosophy section...Lucifer is NOT Jesus. Lucifer is the name of the Devil...ahh who the hell cares.
Originally posted by darthrevan89
While this would be better placed in the philosophy section...Lucifer is NOT Jesus. Lucifer is the name of the Devil...ahh who the hell cares.
Yes, who thehell cares. It is all made up bs. However, there is no proof in the that the Bible points out that Lucifer is Satan (Who is completely different in OT and Judaism). Revelations does say that Jesus is the Morning Star (Lucifer).
I know your young, but even I knew this at your age. I suggest doing some reading. I gave some names, reseach them and you will see that Satan is not referred to as Lucifer, until Jerome.
Originally posted by Darth L. DipsitI agree.
I never liked Saruman - it's not because he's evil. Not at all. It's because of how stupid and incompetent he becomes in his corruption. Like when he grows arrogant and sheds his title of Saruman the White to become Saruman of Many Colors. I mean, when he donned those rainbow robes, that was pretty fruity when I first read it (of course, I was about a child, about nine or ten, so I didn't see anything beyond the application to the Colors of the Sacred Fire). Anyways, he starts off as the most powerful Istari on Middle Earth and gradually becomes a scummy idiot who can't even stop his own snivelling servant from killing him. Sauron was a much cooler character, though he too fell in a kind of ridiculous way. Gothmog (the original one, from the Silmarillion) and Carcharoth were two of the best baddies, overall, I think.My apologies for the interruption. I just agree that Saruman goes down big time after he is corrupted and I lost a great deal of respect for him. Peace be with you all.
Gothmog kicked ass, killed Feanor, very good.
Charcaroth, badass mofo man, even when he swallowed Beren's hand and the Silmarillion, he killed like a thousand of his own orcs and some elves.