Originally posted by jeedai_moyco
Everyone knows that Darth Vader is more powerful that the Emporer
he's the "chosen one" remember?
Where does it say that the..."chosen one" is the most powerful?...he was supposed to bring balance to the force...he's not the most powerful...he only brought balnace to the force because he did some shady things guy...no1 could sense darkness in him during the jedi purge except yoda..and a litle bit of obi-wan near the end with the hologram where he goes " i need to be certain about one thing"...so sids is stronger than him 😉
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Yet he was lifted up and thrown over the railing, screaming like a girl and not showing the slightest hint of resistance...Breathtaking power... 🙄
dont think you can hide anything from Vader he is just a mindreading maniac. Try it out yourself: http://sithsense.com/flash.htm
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Yet he was lifted up and thrown over the railing, screaming like a girl and not showing the slightest hint of resistance...Breathtaking power... 🙄
All that does is simply confirm the point of not over-exaggerating powers. What 'powers' did Vader display there other than the ability to lift?
As Yerssot says, that was surprise, not power.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
All that does is simply confirm the point of not over-exaggerating powers. What 'powers' did Vader display there other than the ability to lift?As Yerssot says, that was surprise, not power.
But even so the instinct of survival should override any initial surprise.
Vader didn't display any special powers in defeating the Emperor, he lifted him up, carried him a bit, and thrown him over the railing. Now thats my problem because it was so easy. Surely the Emperor could have sensed this and put up a fight; used a force push, flipped out of his arms and atacked, setting up one hell of a fight for survival. He is meant to be more powerful after all.
Also remember, Sith lords are evil, they tend to betray one another. Palpatine was standing there, trying to replace Vader with Luke while Vader was still alive. Its not that hard to figure out that Vader would be a little bit annoyed that the Emperor would ditch him so easily for Luke.
Also he was kind of frying his son alive, that tends to motivate even the most brainwashed of fathers.
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Palpatine said Vader would become more powerful BEFORE his injuries. The whole point is that Vaqder being crippled cost him his potential.
By the point the Emperor was taken by surprise, whayt did you want him to do? He was so shocked it cast him any initial reaction, and then he was hardly in a position to do much. The power of a force user to not be so affected should be in seeing it coming first- the whole point is that the Emperor could not.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Palpatine said Vader would become more powerful BEFORE his injuries. The whole point is that Vaqder being crippled cost him his potential.By the point the Emperor was taken by surprise, whayt did you want him to do? He was so shocked it cast him any initial reaction, and then he was hardly in a position to do much. The power of a force user to not be so affected should be in seeing it coming first- the whole point is that the Emperor could not.
Oh come on Ush! After watching ROTS we've seen him battle strenously against Mace Windu and Yoda so its seems a little odd to see him rendered so helpless by Vader when all Vader does is pick him up and surprise him a little (another cause of backward filming, but it still stands to reason if he's more powerful).
He could have directed the lightning directly into Vader's head, force-pushed him away, force-grabbed Luke's lightsaber-any number of things but instead he screamed as if Vader was shoving a red-hot poker up his ass.
P.S.How by being physically crippled would disrupt Anakin's potential?
The force isn't determined by physical attributes you know.
Vader was filled with Lightning all the way- it's what killed him. Trouble is, Lightning is never an instant death.
And it was becoming half-metal that reduced Vader's power. This is direct from GL in his DVD commentary. The moment Obi-Wan beat him, any potential Anakin had was massively reduced.
Sorry, but it is a canon fact.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah you just can't argue with it.
I can't argue with the Anakin-loss of power thing (probably because I don't care) but I don't believe that the Emperor is more powerful than Vader when GL does nothing to prove it when it matters the most.
Anyway to him Star Wars is still an ongoing project so everyday he's going to sit up and go " what shall I say this time, on this DVD commentary that will make no sense but its true because I said so"
I don't watch or own the digitally re-mastered DVDs because I want the film to get across who is more powerful, who is annoying, who is heroic etc. When someone pulls a quote from Lucas that came probably after the films that doesn't necessarily win an arguement because I believe the only time he tells the story is in the film and thats what I concentrate on.
If the Emperor was more powerful than Vader then he should have killed Vader quickly or at least fought together in some kind of battle that eventually leads to both of them dying. What happened in the film made no sense, the Emperor was effectively neutered by being picked up.