Yoda(at his peak)/Kreia vs. ROTS Dooku/Darth Malak

Let the fight begin

no contest yoda and kreia all the way yoda unleashes fury upon malak with his saber kreia kill dooku with force lightning and choke

Originally posted by darth-yoda
no contest yoda and kreia all the way yoda unleashes fury upon malak with his saber kreia kill dooku with force lightning and choke

Lol Dooku can force choke Kreia??? My god thats the most hilarious thing I have ever heard. Think beefore you write next time.

Malak would fight Yoda and he would have a really hard fight, but Kreia would take care of Dooku a lot faster by sheer force powers. Then Kreia would help Yoda take care of Malak.

Kreia and Yoda will win most likely.

However Dooku and Malak might also pull it off, if Dooku or Malak can take down Kreia while the other faces Yoda. Dooku/Malak would put up a great fight against Kreia and if they move fast enough and it becomes a lightsaber duel then Kreia is probably screwed. Then its two against one and there is just no way that Yoda would win something like that.

For the last damn time...

YODA AT HIS PEAK IS ROTS. It's not like he's gonna get amazingly stronger at a younger age at the expense of his knowledge. And from now on let's try not to suppose so damn much. I know the options are drying up but when you start going "Yoda at full Sith potential versus Anakin with Vaapad" you pretty much make the speculation even worse. Try not to deviate so much from the actual characters... it's already hard enough to reach decisions.

Originally posted by Fishy
Lol Dooku can force choke Kreia??? My god thats the most hilarious thing I have ever heard. Think beefore you write next time.

Malak would fight Yoda and he would have a really hard fight, but Kreia would take care of Dooku a lot faster by sheer force powers. Then Kreia would help Yoda take care of Malak.

Kreia and Yoda will win most likely.

However Dooku and Malak might also pull it off, if Dooku or Malak can take down Kreia while the other faces Yoda. Dooku/Malak would put up a great fight against Kreia and if they move fast enough and it becomes a lightsaber duel then Kreia is probably screwed. Then its two against one and there is just no way that Yoda would win something like that.

What everybody says is none of my concern.

And who cares about what Dooku did to Obi, Malak is so much more powerful then Obi. He smacked around two Jedi constantly choking them without killing them and then throwing his lightsaber at one and launching lightning at another. Dooku never did anything like that. So your point here is what really?

Kreia's mastery of the Force excels Jedi masters AND Sith lords. She easily dominates Lord Sion at the end of KOTOR, and defeats his disciples easily. She also destroys three Jedi Masters using "A technique in the Force against which there is no defense." It is a variant of the power that these new post-Jedi Civil War Sith have begun to adopt. Malak or Dooku would be lucky to counter such a technique, considering it's impossible to counter by those who know of it and created it. And ROTS Obi-Wan is a thirty-some year old Jedi Master versus Kreia who could be any age above 60 Jedi master with five years of Sith knowledge that Dooku could only dream of attaining.

Again, your logic sucks.

Hmm Janus the technique against which there is no defense is not known by her and not developed by her. Nihilus has it not she, for the rest I agree.

Arbiter, everyone who said Mace WOULD win, not might, but would, is an idiot.

Malak would attack Yoda with lightsaber attacks, forcing Yoda to go his all on him to kill him. In the meantime, Kreia would engage Dooku in a Force battle. Now, Dooku reflected lightning that he'd shot at Yoda, Yoda had absorbed, then shot back at him. It was old, weak lightning. Kreia's lightning would very possibly overwhelm him. If she can't kill him in a Force battle, then she's pretty much gone. That leaves Yoda to fend off a possibly weakened malak and a rather weak Dooku. Yoda might pull it off, but I doubt it.

Well, Fishy, she said specifically "Techniques". The technique she used on the three Jedi masters on Dantooine was obviously something they hadn't the ability to defend against. And who's to say she didn't study and learn Nihilus' technique. She says herself that Nihilus is simply the result of such teachings taken to the extreme.

She did when was that? I remember her saying that you could not learn techniques like that... You either could or could not do them as simple as that.

And yeah I know the Jedi Masters could not defend against that particulair technique that doesn't mean nobody can however, or maybe its just extremely hard to do. Either way one attack like that would seriously hurt if not kill Dooku at the start of the fight.

yeah but Dooku is 4,000 years after Kriea so when he became a Sith Lord or when he was still a Jedi he may have studied the old Jedi/Sith ways since form II was most used back then and Dooku was the only recorded Jedi Master to master form II in his time.

You're not listening to the arguments. And that last one makes no sense. The point is, if it came down to melee combat, Kreia would get killed. Pure and simple. But, it won't, because Kreia's VASTLY superior Force power and knowledge would allow her to kill Dooku before a saber engagement.

Oh he studied the ways of old, but he could never as much about them as those people could have. Wars and the end of the Sith and the weakening of the Jedi made a lot of knowledge get lost. Little would be known about them and their techniques.

And wouldn't Dooku be the better choice against Yoda since his form II gives him the edge? Yoda would have to keep moving for Dooku not to kill him since Yoda doesn't focus much on defense when he's jumping around. And Malak would defeat Kriea due to his exp in the wars he fought.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Malak is a great fighter himself, we don't know his form but he could probably hold of Yoda for a very long time.

And Malak killing Kreia fast? I don't know, Dooku couldn't pull it off I know that. Malak might, but then again Kreia her power is amazing in her own right Malak is great too and by far the better duelist, still could he come cloes enough. Could he resist her attacks and take her down? I'm not sure.

Good point.
But couldn't Malak push the attacks on Kreia stopping her from doing her little force trick thingys?

Depends... How long would it take Kreia to attack how much can Malak block, how fast can Malak run? It depends on a lot of factors, if Kreia can keep her distance then she will win. If Malak manages to come close then he will win, he has a chance of blocking all her attacks but she would throw entire mountains at him if necessary and I just don't know how he compares in the force to her.

She does say that Nihilus is the result of the corrupted, new Sith teachings and that he is the pinnacle of such, hence his unnatural abilities. You need high enough influence when you ask her initially about him, and I think awareness helps. Anyways, Kreia taught Nihilus and Sion. Nihilus, for all his weirdness, did not create and hone an ability out of thin air, especially since Kreia herself tells you the Sith assassins use a similar technique, growing stronger in the presence of Force sensitives. And seeing as she pretty much taught Sion, leader of the Sith Assassins, I would assume that she knew and used the ability herself. Note that the bodies of the Jedi masters are described as being not only dead but devoid of the Force when you examine them.