Originally posted by whirlysplat
So thats no one that Phoenix has beaten above herald level despite the long post GS, thought so 😄
lol nope what ive showed is some of the feats Phoenix has achieved in the comics which place her well beyond the likes of Galactus. The fact that its stated by Eternity in Xmen Forever and even in F4 this year that Phoenix is responsible for the creation of the multiverse i think that should be enough for you Whirly.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
lol nope what ive showed is some of the feats Phoenix has achieved in the comics which place her well beyond the likes of Galactus. The fact that its stated by Eternity in Xmen Forever and even in F4 this year that Phoenix is responsible for the creation of the multiverse i think that should be enough for you Whirly.
Mo God is responsible for the creation of the multiverse even in Marvel🙂
Read Thor 330-331 with the crusader 😄
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Mo God is responsible for the creation of the multiverse even in Marvel🙂Read Thor 330-331 with the crusader 😄
Phoenix is the union between those who have reached the stage of ultimate mutation and the primal force of creation. Together they become Phoenix. In current continuity Phoenix is the force responsible for the cycle of creation, it makes the multiverse, maintains it before destroying it. Xmen Forever talks about this, as did F4 just a few short months ago, as well as Xmen the end which talks about how Phoenix is the force responsible for jumpstarting creation and is the force that ends it. Phoenix is many a time referred to in most of its appearnces as the sum and substance of all life. Phoenix is clearly above a mere planet eater. When Galactus exists beyond creation and is shown on panel to hold a universe in his hand then maybe i'll reconsider but until then you know im right. You have read either Xmen Forever or Xmen the end. I suggest you do.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is the union between those who have reached the stage of ultimate mutation and the primal force of creation. Together they become Phoenix. In current continuity Phoenix is the force responsible for the cycle of creation, it makes the multiverse, maintains it before destroying it. Xmen Forever talks about this, as did F4 just a few short months ago, as well as Xmen the end which talks about how Phoenix is the force responsible for jumpstarting creation and is the force that ends it. Phoenix is many a time referred to in most of its appearnces as the sum and substance of all life. Phoenix is clearly above a mere planet eater. When Galactus exists beyond creation and is shown on panel to hold a universe in his hand then maybe i'll reconsider but until then you know im right. You have read either Xmen Forever or Xmen the end. I suggest you do.
Galactus wins 😄
Originally posted by Maestro
Galactic, would you say Phoenix could take on the whole celestial race, just want your opinion on this.
Well Phoenix is beyond the celestials just like eternity is. Phoenix creates eternity as eternity admits in the Xmen forever mini and phoenix is the force that is his natural end. At the end of the Here Comes Tomorrow story arc Jean holds the 616 universe in the palm of her hand and telekinetically restructures it after amputating a future timeline. Now what do you think Maestro?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well Phoenix is beyond the celestials just like eternity is. Phoenix creates eternity as eternity admits in the Xmen forever mini and phoenix is the force that is his natural end. At the end of the Here Comes Tomorrow story arc Jean holds the 616 universe in the palm of her hand and telekinetically restructures it after amputating a future timeline. Now what do you think Maestro?
So you think Phoenix will beat all the Celestials 🙄
So tell me what this picture shows again 😖hifty:
Ceelestials are just little universal entities which are the servants of the abstracts as eternity said in Xmen forever. The Ceelestials were created for the sole purpose of sowing genetic potential in early lifeforms order to create humanity, more specifically mutants. Omega (the last) mutants are the fruition of the abstracts work. They are those closest to achieving the point of ultimate mutation that is phoenix. It is a stage all humanity will eventually reach. All humanity will evolve and become one with creation making them a phoenix. As stated in the mini at this point humanity will surpass and replace all of the abstracts including the living tribunal and . When this happens the top phoenix (jean as phoenix of the white crown) ends all of creation before beginning it anew. The celestials are merely tools which eternity uses to bring about the end. It is the natural order of things for humanity to evolve beyond them, for humanity to become phoenixes and bring about the end. That is what Xmen forever was about and it went some way into explaining what being an omega mutant really entails. New Xmen supported this by showing how Quentin Quire an omega evolved into a being of pure thought mirroring Jeans own transformation into a phoenix. Jean then met him in the white hot room along with others who had evolved to that point of ultimate mutation. So basically im saying yes Phoenix is way beyond the Celestials. As is shown clearly to be the case by the comics themselves. Opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
So you think Phoenix will beat all the Celestials 🙄So tell me what this picture shows again 😖hifty:
Whirly, saving that universe was not a part of her Phoenix work, Quentin Quire said to her he wouldnt have bothered because the death of a universe doesnt interfere with the cycle of creation. However Jean wanted to save it because she came from that universe and she had loved ones there. That is Jean at full power the celestials are insects to her at that point. She had the entire 616 universe in her hand. If she didnt bother to save then the celestials along with their universe would have met their end.