Did you all play Kotor, because if you remeber, Malak had crazy resistance to (REVAN's) force powers when you duel him on the starforge, even my maxed out wisdom revan had a hard time penetrating his defenses, as a matter of fact, he never penetrated his defenses, i was forced to use my lightsaber and all my health packs to BARELY defeat him. Sure this was kotor Revan, not post Kotor, but he could still beat Palpatine in any of his incarnations. Needless to say,the only way i think Sids would win, is if ran and hid somewhere in the city in hopes of losing Malak and forcing him to give up.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I never said Mace was stronger than Yoda, in fact I believe the opposite. Mace had a hard enough time holding Sidious' lightning back with a lightsaber. Yoda did it with his bare hands. If Yoda had gone instead of Mace, Yoda would've kicked Palpy's butt IMO.
Preach it Revan.
Originally posted by Darth Infidus
Did you all play Kotor, because if you remeber, Malak had crazy resistance to (REVAN's) force powers when you duel him on the starforge, even my maxed out wisdom revan had a hard time penetrating his defenses, as a matter of fact, he never penetrated his defenses, i was forced to use my lightsaber and all my health packs to BARELY defeat him. Sure this was kotor Revan, not post Kotor, but he could still beat Palpatine in any of his incarnations. Needless to say,the only way i think Sids would win, is if ran and hid somewhere in the city in hopes of losing Malak and forcing him to give up.
I thought this was obvious...
Game play experiences do not count, since they change per person.
Only things that are the same every time in game (Such as FMVs, or descriptions) are considered points in argument.
🤨 🤨 why is sidiuos a bad lightsaber dueler? Reply by some idiot: he lost to posibly the best lightsaber user ever. i strongly think that sidiuos could of won the fight vs mace. everyone knows that sidiuos is greater then mace in force. if you don't you are an idiot and i won't argue with you becuase i will lose( notice the narly quote). if sidiuos did force push mace would of flew out the window and got his back hair smoked. everyone calls sidiuos a coward. malak is the coward. he killed revan from a distance spaceship. at least sidouis went near his master and killed him. malak destroyed a whole freakin planet because of her fear for bastilla. malak never killed anyone special and did anything special either. sidiuos would win very easy. P.S. fishy you made a thread i!i!i!i!i!i! i thaught you were waiting to do a topic that was like wow good topic but this is not so good no offense becuase sidious would beat malak very easily.
Sidious IS a heavyweight with a lightsaber, albeit not one of the very best, but good enough. I don't know who would win. Malak is one tough cookie. I mean he did control the Star Forge for a time and continued Revan's extermination of the Republic. So props to him for being tough and all. But Sidious is cleverer than Malak (I would assume) and finding advantages is a specialty trait he's good at. And he, like Malak, is very powerful in The Force.
Umm...if Malak DID win - he'd walk away with more than a missing jaw. Probably he'd lose an arm or a leg, or something. But I dunno. I guess Sidious.
Originally posted by Clawed The Bum
🤨 🤨 why is sidiuos a bad lightsaber dueler? Reply by some idiot: he lost to posibly the best lightsaber user ever. i strongly think that sidiuos could of won the fight vs mace. everyone knows that sidiuos is greater then mace in force. if you don't you are an idiot and i won't argue with you becuase i will lose( notice the narly quote). if sidiuos did force push mace would of flew out the window and got his back hair smoked. everyone calls sidiuos a coward. malak is the coward. he killed revan from a distance spaceship. at least sidouis went near his master and killed him. malak destroyed a whole freakin planet because of her fear for bastilla. malak never killed anyone special and did anything special either. sidiuos would win very easy. P.S. fishy you made a thread i!i!i!i!i!i! i thaught you were waiting to do a topic that was like wow good topic but this is not so good no offense becuase sidious would beat malak very easily.
I know this thread is old, but I just love replying to stupidity.
Sidious the best lightsaber duelist ever? Have you seen him in ROTS he lost two lightsaber duels, he needed Anakin to win one and the area to win another so he clearly is not the greatest lightsaber duelist not even in that time. Which would make him even weaker in ancient times because then they actually still fought.
Sidious killed his master when he was sleeping Malak used a ship. I don't see why one is braver then the other. However Malak did fight head on in wars, Sidious hid in the shadows always using others to fight for him. Always. So really that doesn't make him brave. He only showed who he was, becuase he fought the Jedi would be dead soon anyways. He only told Anakin what he did because he knew the Jedi were coming for him. Again counting on somebody else to help him.
So could you please tell me what makes you think Sidious is more powerful then Malak. Malak is extremely powerful he controlled a star, something only 2 people in that time could do. He killed a lot of Jedi defeated a great fighter creamed hundreds of Mandelorians and hundreds of Jedi. How many people do you know off that have done something like that? Sidious sure as hell didn't. Malak has a great control over the force so Sidious just couldn't overwelm him with it, you need to be a lot more powerful to do that. Sidious wasn't a lot more powerful if he was at all. And you can not seriously be telling me that a lightsaber duellist with years of experience in real life would lose from somebody who only had practice duels?
I also think Mace beated Sidious but there is something I've always thought about since I saw that duel. After the 3 jedis are dead Sidious is attacking Mace and they are walking into Palpatines big office, at one point Sidious knocks Windus lightsaber away and holds his own against Mace throat. But he doesent attack for like 6 seconds and then Mace has time to knock it away. Why the hell didn't Sidious attack? He wouldent want to spare Mace, hell no. Can someone tell me why he didn't kill him right away, please? Oh and I think Sidious would slightly prevail over Malak.
Originally posted by kamikz
I also think Mace beated Sidious but there is something I've always thought about since I saw that duel. After the 3 jedis are dead Sidious is attacking Mace and they are walking into Palpatines big office, at one point Sidious knocks Windus lightsaber away and holds his own against Mace throat. But he doesent attack for like 6 seconds and then Mace has time to knock it away. Why the hell didn't Sidious attack? He wouldent want to spare Mace, hell no. Can someone tell me why he didn't kill him right away, please? Oh and I think Sidious would slightly prevail over Malak.
Wrong...
Sidious held the lightsaber near Mace but his arm was stretched, if he would have moved forward Mace would have had the time to jump away and cut. Mace had the advantage in that possition it doesn't look like it. But Sidious would have to use his body to attack, Mace would only have to move aside and move his lightsaber down and Sidious would have been dead.
The thing is if Sidious would have moved forward Mace would have seen it, its extremely easy to see an attack like that coming. Mace had an advantage even then.
Originally posted by Clawed The Bum
[B]🤨 🤨 why is sidiuos a bad lightsaber dueler? Reply by some idiot: he lost to posibly the best lightsaber user ever. i strongly think that sidiuos could of won the fight vs mace.
Sidious can't win against most people in a "straight" fight. Any of the ancient Sith Lords would smoke him in seconds. Dooku, Yoda and Mace would kill him in a "fair" fight (Mace disarmed him in less than a minute). He is not a "bad" lightsaber dueler but he also isn't a genious when it comes to lightsaber skills.
everyone knows that sidiuos is greater then mace in force. if you don't you are an idiot and i won't argue with you becuase i will lose( notice the narly quote). if sidiuos did force push mace would of flew out the window and got his back hair smoked.
Greater in the force ? Yes, but only because he is a dark sider and that gives you power faster. And if you ever read the ROTS novel: Sidious tried to force push Mace out of the window and Mace simply corrected the direction of the push.
everyone calls sidiuos a coward. malak is the coward. he killed revan from a distance spaceship. at least sidouis went near his master and killed him. malak destroyed a whole freakin planet because of her fear for bastilla. malak never killed anyone special and did anything special either.
Oh yes. Killing your master while he is sleeping is a real heroic action. I could have done that to Plagueis without being a force user. And Malak did nothing special and killed nothing special ?
- Kavar went to fight Malak and barely escaped alive
- Malak wasted hundrets of Jedi, Mandalorians and so on
- he could control the Star Forge and that requires some amount of power
- he was quite close to Revan when it comes to force use and lightsaber skill.
I think this is a pretty nice fight but I think Malak will win. Sidious wouldn't be able to overwhelm Malak with his force powers and then it's a lightsaber duel what Malak would probably win because of the advantages he has (longer lightsaber, more natural range, more physical strength, more natural agility since he is younger).
Originally posted by Fishy
Wrong...Sidious held the lightsaber near Mace but his arm was stretched, if he would have moved forward Mace would have had the time to jump away and cut. Mace had the advantage in that possition it doesn't look like it. But Sidious would have to use his body to attack, Mace would only have to move aside and move his lightsaber down and Sidious would have been dead.
The thing is if Sidious would have moved forward Mace would have seen it, its extremely easy to see an attack like that coming. Mace had an advantage even then.
Alright, thanks. About the Malak and Sidious duel I think Sidious would prevail because he is a cheater and a coward, he would probably make the fight as unfair as possible and try to have the high ground all the time. In a fair fight I doubt he could win by just skills.
I agree with Nai Fohl except that Malak is close to Revan's power. That might be true, but Revan was stronger during his first reign than Malak was, he got stronger by the end of KOTOR and defeated Malak twice in a row. I don't think he's too close.
To whoever posted about the game dynamics: Malak used Force resistance, that's why no Force powers worked on him. otherwise I (a Sentinel) can easily use Force storm on him.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I agree with Nai Fohl except that Malak is close to Revan's power. That might be true, but Revan was stronger during his first reign than Malak was, he got stronger by the end of KOTOR and defeated Malak twice in a row. I don't think he's too close.To whoever posted about the game dynamics: Malak used Force resistance, that's why no Force powers worked on him. otherwise I (a Sentinel) can easily use Force storm on him.
You aren't listening to me. Your gameplay experience in the fight against Malak is NOT even close to canon accept that the fight between Malak and Revan did happen, and we only know this to be true because it is cited in the sequel and is the only possible outcome of the first game. But whether or not Malak uses a Force power that by all means hasn't even been shown to exist elsewhere but in games means nothing in this fight. And for gameplay purposes, you (a sentinel, like that changes anything) could actually break his force immunity if you had high enough wisdom and charisma! If you're running the PC version, just bring up the console and get pure 1000s for stats. Boom. Then I can say Revan beat Malak with one force choke, right? No, wrong.
Back to this, I have rewatched the ROTS fights more closely this time. Now, this could be mostly because of different actors being used (Since it was easier to use a stunt double for Sidious in the dark robes with the fugly face, or better... a CGI Sidious which was used many times) but Sidious fights better against Yoda than he does against Windu... and faster. That doesn't mean I think much more of him as a fighter, but it does mean that his combat expertise with Mace Windu is in question so far as I am concerned.