How was vadars defeat even possible?

Originally posted by Human Vader
Luke or Vader could kill everyone on the council save for Yoda? Kill yourself. That's an extent of fanboyism I've never seen before. You should be embarrassed to be alive, really you should.

Now Noodlyguy, I'm not saying that Vader sucks because of how cool his fight scenes looked, I'm saying he suck because- that's right, he does. He didn't kill any powerful people, the only force user he killed was Echuu Shen Jon, a measly average jeedai knight, and he even put up a good battle. Mech Vader led the purge? HE WAS HUMAN VADER DURING THE PURGE. Honestly people watch the movies, and even during the purge the only thing he did was storm the jeedai temple and kill all the younglings and knights in there. Keep in mind there were no masters in there besides Cin, and he had help from a couple hundred Clone Troopers.

Face it noobs, Vader's just not that good.

Amen, brutha.

That was the beginning of the purge. There were a lot of Jedi alive after Obi wan gave him a hot-tub treatment.

I'm citing star wars.com here, the movie summary, not the expanded universe, so if that isn't cannon, your all too damn stringy.

http://www.star wars.com/databank/character/darthvader/index.html

At the time of his transformation, Vader never knew he was due to be the father of twins. Obi-Wan Kenobi hid the children from the Dark Lord and Vader's master, Emperor Palpatine. Vader somehow discovered that he had a son, Luke Skywalker, but never suspected he had a daughter, Leia, who was secretly taken to be raised by Bail Organa, Viceroy and First Chairman of Alderaan.

In the chaos that accompanied Palpatine's rise to power, Vader became one of the Emperor's most loyal servants. The Emperor entrusted him with the elimination of the Jedi Knights. During these dark times, Vader and his agents destroyed the Jedi order.

Note hit lists his being tasked to destroy them AFTER the transformation, and thus after the initial purge. Eu details it, but even without using debatable sources we can assume vader killed a few more Jedi post mecha. Is it shown? No. But neither was a lot of stuff we can still figure out, like Obi wan being a Jedi master and Anakin being the father of Padme's children.

And no, I do belive effects make a difference. I mantain that if Episode IV was being made now, vader and Obi wan would have a kickass lightning speed fight, the kind of which we saw in ROTS.

It's out of chronological order... Pay attention.

It says Vader transformed, then he found his son, then the time of chaos?

"In the chaos that accompanied Palpatine's rise to power, Vader became one of the Emperor's most loyal servants. The Emperor entrusted him with the elimination of the Jedi Knights. During these dark times, Vader and his agents destroyed the Jedi order. "

Where does it say this was post-Mustafar Vader? It doesn't.

Originally posted by Human Vader
*Looks at your location*
*Laughs*

Mecha Vader dropped from a bad ass way above average jeedai to a lowly about average sith lord. And even if he wasn't trying to kill Luke, he still would have been able to defend himself quite well if he's as great as you say he is.

What I'm about to say is opinion**

Aduruth is a Vader fanboy Moron.

*looks at you and LordSorgo, and how you have to resort to ignorance for happyness*

you both greatly underestimate vader, and mechanical vader. And no, no ordinary jedi would be able to kill vader/mechanical, and yes I'm a fan of vader, but not as much of a fan as for other Jedi. You both really need to get your heads out of the toilet and do some research.
ok, ha! Now when your ready to have an inteligent conversation, comeback when you grow up/mature.

And yes he shouldve been able to defend himself but look*!!!!
ITS A MOVIE, its A NESSACITY EFFECT!

Originally posted by Aduruth
*looks at you and LordSorgo, and how you have to resort to ignorance for happyness*

you both greatly underestimate vader, and mechanical vader. And no, no ordinary jedi would be able to kill vader/mechanical, and yes I'm a fan of vader, but not as much of a fan as for other Jedi. You both really need to get your heads out of the toilet and do some research.
ok, ha! Now when your ready to have an inteligent conversation, comeback when you grow up/mature.

And yes he shouldve been able to defend himself but look*!!!!
ITS A MOVIE, its A NESSACITY EFFECT!

Put your money where your mouth is and PROVE UP.

...wow, this is a silly thread.

*throws rock at thread*

I am afraid the answer "Vader just isn't that good" is indeed the correct one, as GL has confirmed. His injuries have, basically, ruined him.

As I said before- and again, paraphrasing GL- Half-trained boy fights cripple. Half-trained boy wins.

Nothing odd.

Yup, Vader's a cripple. Not easy for a cripple to win a one-on-one fight with a boy in his physical prime.

omg, omg, omg. you canot compare the PT to the OT. look at everything vadar did in the OT. not to impressive. about 6 hours of movie time. now look at the about 5 secounds near the end of ROTS. how much power did vadar have. crap loads. enough to beat any ordenary jedi. he killed padme ( who was at least a couple thousand miles away) without even trying. vadar also killed all mechanical things around him and broke his arms free. sidiuos was happy becuase of the enormus amount of power that vadar had.
P.S. Vadar killed Doku, Ben kenobi, siduios, and heavily injured mace

Dude, stfu, okay?

You know nothing.

i know what btw means it means by the way.

Okay, so that's one thing. now, stfu n00b h@x00r

lol you are the one that told me what it means like 5 minutes ago

Originally posted by Clawed The Bum
omg, omg, omg. you canot compare the PT to the OT. look at everything vadar did in the OT. not to impressive. about 6 hours of movie time. now look at the about 5 secounds near the end of ROTS. how much power did vadar have. crap loads. enough to beat any ordenary jedi. he killed padme ( who was at least a couple thousand miles away) without even trying. vadar also killed all mechanical things around him and broke his arms free. sidiuos was happy becuase of the enormus amount of power that vadar had.
P.S. Vadar killed Doku, Ben kenobi, siduios, and heavily injured mace

That was a one-off at that moment. It does not last, and I repeat, this is from GL himself.

He blindsided Mace, he didn't duel him. He did the same thing (in the same situation) to Sidious. Obi-Wan LET Vader kill him. He did kill Dooku, this is true, but anything he did BEFORE his injuries don't count.

The whole point is that after his injuries, his power and deadliness was permanently impaired.

Originally posted by Aduruth
*looks at you and LordSorgo, and how you have to resort to ignorance for happyness*

you both greatly underestimate vader, and mechanical vader. And no, no ordinary jedi would be able to kill vader/mechanical, and yes I'm a fan of vader, but not as much of a fan as for other Jedi. You both really need to get your heads out of the toilet and do some research.
ok, ha! Now when your ready to have an inteligent conversation, comeback when you grow up/mature.

And yes he shouldve been able to defend himself but look*!!!!
ITS A MOVIE, its A NESSACITY EFFECT!

LMAO, that contributed nothing to the conversation. You have no proof of your claims, as I actually have evidence of what I'm saying. What kind of inteligent conversation is saying what you think, with no proof and throwing insults at people. You're a moron. And thanks to Ushgarak and Bespin and for watching the movies and seeing that Vader blows.

^ ( don't take it personal he calls eveybody a moron)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That was a one-off at that moment. It does not last, and I repeat, this is from GL himself.

He blindsided Mace, he didn't duel him. He did the same thing (in the same situation) to Sidious. Obi-Wan LET Vader kill him. He did kill Dooku, this is true, but anything he did BEFORE his injuries don't count.

The whole point is that after his injuries, his power and deadliness was permanently impaired.

True that. His midi-chlorian count dropped dramatically after becoming a quadruple amputee. He was slow and akward--the neural-circuitry in his limbs had a slight delay. Unlike General Grevious, his cyborg limbs weren't 10x stronger than that of a human, nor could they move faster than a human could see. The armour was a merely life-support system that was terrifying to behold. And I don't think force-choking Imperial officers with no force powers makes him a bad-ass.

Originally posted by Human Vader
LMAO, that contributed nothing to the conversation. You have no proof of your claims, as I actually have evidence of what I'm saying. What kind of inteligent conversation is saying what you think, with no proof and throwing insults at people. You're a moron. And thanks to Ushgarak and Bespin and for watching the movies and seeing that Vader blows.

ok hunman vader get ur facts right
1 ur the one throwing insults
and
2 I already said i have proff, why dont you retake high-school english, or kindgarten and learn how to read!(thats an insult, just incase u didnt know, lol theres another.) and the proff i have is that he didnt want to kill luke, when vader cvhops off lukes hand its to show him that he does not want to kill him, but "opersuade luke" and i swear what "proff is" half cripple fights half trained boy, 1/2 trained boy wins, thats no proff but an opinion, u jak...... phew got caught up, just read next time before you post something about someone that they already posted.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Put your money where your mouth is and PROVE UP.

what i said above. this post

and thank you for answering in a "kind/mature" way,

not like a "newb"

*cough human vader cough*

Originally posted by Aduruth
*looks at you and LordSorgo, and how you have to resort to ignorance for happyness*

you both greatly underestimate vader, and mechanical vader. And no, no ordinary jedi would be able to kill vader/mechanical, and yes I'm a fan of vader, but not as much of a fan as for other Jedi. You both really need to get your heads out of the toilet and do some research.
ok, ha! Now when your ready to have an inteligent conversation, comeback when you grow up/mature.

And yes he shouldve been able to defend himself but look*!!!!
ITS A MOVIE, its A NESSACITY EFFECT!

*Looks at the Ignorance part of the post.... Looks at Aduruth's face.... Vomits...*

Listen, there is several Jedi on the council that could take Vader out. Sorry to say, but he just wasn't the greatest lightsaber duelist after HE LOST HIS ARMS AND LEGS!