anakin skywalker in NJO

Originally posted by InsaneNoodlyGuy
we know Kyp was stronger then luke, though we don't know how strong he was compared to Anakin. Kyp is basically the only person thus who could conceviably rival anakin. Which makes his utter squandering rather sad. He never even comes close to his own potential. Anakin I think would have gotten farther. And would indeed be stronger then Luke.

Okay, where to begin. First off: would Anakin have made a contribution?
Of course, but as a senior citizen. NJO is set approximately 25-30 years after ANH(ep4) which itself is set 19 years after ROTS(ep3). Now factor in young Annie's age at the time of TPM(ep1) (6 or 8, I cant remember which exactly, it's been so long since I've watched that POS, besides I'm not even sure they actually say, so I'm just going to say 7). Now, 7+13(the time in years from EP1-EP3)+19+25-30=64-69...I don't care how powerful in the force he is, thats old. Now granted Palpatine was old as sheeaat in ROTJ(ep6), but he wasn't fighting the Vong, and he still got beaten by a half broken Vader. that in and of itself doesn't bode well for the whole "power" issue. Did Vader have more power than Palpatine? Whether it be because of the suit, or simply because of restricted education...I'm going to have to say no. If he had had more power, he would have overthrown the emperor already(it is the Sith way after all). So having gotten what did happen out of the way, let's talk about the what if's. Non dark side Anakin vs. The Vong. Well to begin with, non-dark side Anakin would have grown very powerful indeed, but not in the same manor as Vader. Anakin would have been a balanced "old ways" oriented Jedi(finish the NJO series and you'll understand what I mean by "old ways"😉 engulfed in the Jedi code. This means that he would not have unleashed "force lightning", or "choked" anyone. He would have played it by the book for fear of falling to the dark side and would probably have all of the same hang-ups with the Vong that all of the Jedi in NJO. Except that he'd be old, too old to be the effective fighter that he once was. Therefor. the fight would've been placed on the next generation anyways, which I might add would've been stronger for having learned what they could from Anakin.Anakin's role would be one of mentor, not fighter. He probably would have been martyred at the fall of the academy on Yavin(for those of you who haven't made it that far into the series, I apologize, but It's worth reading for yourself), and that's assuming that events would conspire to even bring about the new Jedi academy. So, yes Anakin would've made a difference, but only in the events, not the outcome.

That's just idiotic. Look at Dooku. 83 years old. In SW, age doesn't mean all that much. And Luke is almost 50 in NJO. Still kickin' ass. In fact, an older Anakin would have been the best there could possibly be. Force Mastery beyond Yoda=Insane flippy time. The Force would keep him in tip-top shape; when you've literally got the Force running through your veins, you tend to be pretty good.

And InsaneNoodlyGuy, Kyp Durron would get owned by Luke. He couldn't defeat a single Yuuzhan Vong Slayer; Luke beat seven simultaneously.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus

And InsaneNoodlyGuy, Kyp Durron would get owned by Luke. He couldn't defeat a single Yuuzhan Vong Slayer; Luke beat seven simultaneously.

Oh, I agree completly. But it SHOULDN't have been that way. Kyp Durron was, in terms of raw potential, greater then Luke. Luke said so himself. Did that ever really work for him? No. He basically coasted along when he could have been the greatest. That's why he lost to Jaina, and couldn't be a slayer. Maybe in the next generation he'll have gotten somewhere, but considering what Kyp Durron was set up to be, I found his progress by the time of NJO rather sad.

actaully, about Kyp being more powerful than Luke, I have a theory on that, I think that he is actually weaker than Luke, and these are just some of the reasons I think so: Kyp was just being arrogant and over-looking the facts, thinking he was stronger than Luke. As to why everyone thinks it is true is because Luke does not flaunt his power, no other jedi were around when he did, nobody has seen him fight (now that Jania and Jacen did, they were in awe of his power, control etc), no jedi in those times met the Emperor and Vader etc. Also during one battle, Jaina was sensing all of the other jedi arrive, she felt Kyp arrive, and just mentioned his tightly controlled rage or something like that, then she felt Luke arrive and felt tightly controlled, endless power and calm. No mention of power for Kyp, or indeed anyother jedi, but she sure mentioned it for Luke. Also, Anakin Solo (not Skywalker) was stronger than Kyp, that is unquestioned, but another thing that is unquestioned is that Luke was undoubtedly stronger than him. Interesting

Also about the 'test' Luke did on jedi, pushing on their mind to see how far he gets pushed back by their natural defences, well that may measure uncontrolled force abilities, explaining why Leia seemed less powerful, she had some of her power under control. Also those shields would become more powerful depending on the conditions you grew up in, if you grew up in a safe, loving home with no secrets, you would have no need of powerful force shields. However, if you grew up like Kyp, working hard, under the control of the empire, a slave, you want and need powerful force shields.

So all of those things together would make an illisuion of him being more powerful than Luke, when in-fact he isn't.

Also, when Luke did the trick of moving the black holes that the Vong used, he was tired sure, but could still walk and talk, when Kyp did it he was staggering all over the place and fell asleep almost instantly.

Also, by pure genetics Luke should be stronger than Kyp. Since the force was Anakin's father, Anakin would be around 50 to 75% of the force, Luke being Anakin's kid would be 25 to 50% of the force. Now I lean more towards the high end of the numbers for both of them, Anakin being 75% of the force, Luke being 50%. The only person who could equal them would be:
An Avatar of the force (100% force)
Another Anakin (50 to 75% of the force)
Or one of Anakin's kids (35 to 50% of the force)

There is no way that Kyp could equal Luke, my guess is that he is 25 to 30% of the force, still powerful, but like I said, the only way to get more powerful than that is to be Anakin, or one of Anakin's kids.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that Luke is stronger than Kyp.

Luke is far stronger than Kyp, no doubt. And Darkstar, you hit the nail on the head; Kyp's arrogance led him to believe that he was in fact superior to Luke, who, up until TUF, no one had seen truly fight. And it helps that his head was full of his exploits as Kun's host body.

Yes, knowing that you were possessed by a great sith lord and with him blew up several suns and killed billions would probably make you think you were powerful

Mhm. Especially when you're comparing yourself to someone who seems almost unnaturally passive. . . It's like taking Mike Tyson and putting him in a ring with a Shaolin Monk. Most assosciate the Monk with peace, meditation. Tyson's gonna think he can own this bald Jap, seeing as how he still has his last opponents ear stuck to his molars.

when i said that luke seemed to have very little power i meant so far in the story even tho i didnt mention it. i am only on rebel stand so i still have like 7 books left so apparently he gets way more powerful. i agree that luke seems very weak b/c he doesnt flaunt it. its just like in vector prime when he doesnt fly the asteroid belt. he would no doubt have set the record without problem but the very thing that makes him seem weak is his greatest strength in the end. i am really looking forward to seeing luke show his power.

He pwns. . . and although it, at times, seems overpowered, I think it's fitting.

oh man, if you want to know what Luke can do, just tell me, I got a whole page of info I can post if you want, and trust me, he is a powerhouse with a capital P

I think he wants to find out through his reads. . . here's hint dude. Skip all the books and go right to the last 75 pages of The Unifying Force. You'll get everything you need from the NJO series right there.

im not gonna skip any books but i am really looking forward to the unifying force now. i thought the rest of the series was going to be just as focused on jaina, kyp, jacen and that sort of thing with luke in the background. is there any place i can find a list of all the star wars books ever released. also, are there very many books out that take place after NJO or have they not gone there yet.

Unfortunately, they're already there. "The Joiner King", it's called.

I have heard those are really good. Luke is toned down a lot. I plan to start reading them within a few weeks. If I am thinking of the same books.

Originally posted by fallenjedi
Okay, where to begin. First off: would Anakin have made a contribution?
Of course, but as a senior citizen. NJO is set approximately 25-30 years after ANH(ep4) which itself is set 19 years after ROTS(ep3). Now factor in young Annie's age at the time of TPM(ep1) (6 or 8, I cant remember which exactly, it's been so long since I've watched that POS, besides I'm not even sure they actually say, so I'm just going to say 7). Now, 7+13(the time in years from EP1-EP3)+19+25-30=64-69...I don't care how powerful in the force he is, thats old. Now granted Palpatine was old as sheeaat in ROTJ(ep6), but he wasn't fighting the Vong, and he still got beaten by a half broken Vader. that in and of itself doesn't bode well for the whole "power" issue. Did Vader have more power than Palpatine? Whether it be because of the suit, or simply because of restricted education...I'm going to have to say no. If he had had more power, he would have overthrown the emperor already(it is the Sith way after all). So having gotten what did happen out of the way, let's talk about the what if's. Non dark side Anakin vs. The Vong. Well to begin with, non-dark side Anakin would have grown very powerful indeed, but not in the same manor as Vader. Anakin would have been a balanced "old ways" oriented Jedi(finish the NJO series and you'll understand what I mean by "old ways"😉 engulfed in the Jedi code. This means that he would not have unleashed "force lightning", or "choked" anyone. He would have played it by the book for fear of falling to the dark side and would probably have all of the same hang-ups with the Vong that all of the Jedi in NJO. Except that he'd be old, too old to be the effective fighter that he once was. Therefor. the fight would've been placed on the next generation anyways, which I might add would've been stronger for having learned what they could from Anakin.Anakin's role would be one of mentor, not fighter. He probably would have been martyred at the fall of the academy on Yavin(for those of you who haven't made it that far into the series, I apologize, but It's worth reading for yourself), and that's assuming that events would conspire to even bring about the new Jedi academy. So, yes Anakin would've made a difference, but only in the events, not the outcome.

THIRTY-TWO years before The Battle of Yavin, Anakin is ether 9 or 10 in TPM, add TEN years for the timespan in between and he's 19-20 in AOTC, FOUR years later and he's 23-24 in ROTS. EIGHTEEN years later and he's 41-42 in ANH while the twins are 18, three years later Vader is 44-45 in ESB, ONE year later he's 45-46. TWENTY years later at the start of NJO he'd be 65-66. In Five years time at the end of NJO he'd be about 70-71, while Luke is 47.

It's a small detail but I'm high maintenance.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I'm sorry, just a little thing, but I have to correct it.

THIRTY-TWO years before The Battle of Yavin, Anakin is ether 9 or 10 in TPM, add TEN years for the timespan in between and he's 19-20 in AOTC, FOUR years later and he's 23-24 in ROTS. EIGHTEEN years later and he's 41-42 in ANH while the twins are 18, three years later Vader is 44-45 in ESB, ONE year later he's 45-46. TWENTY years later at the start of NJO he'd be 65-66. In Five years time at the end of NJO he'd be about 70-71, while Luke is 47.

It's a small detail but I'm high maintenance.

wasnt vader exactly 49 years old when he died? im pretty certain he was

Originally posted by Darth243
wasnt vader exactly 49 years old when he died? im pretty certain he was

when did they say young Anakin was 9 or 10 in TPM again, and don't get me wrong but the math still holds up. Timeline taken right out of the front of The Joiner King(which by the way is a great read)

TPM took place32 years before ANH

and yeah Dooku was old as dirt... he also got beaten