Who is the Bright And Morning Star??

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I agree with debbiejo that Jesus, and Lucifer are correlated. Light bearer is a title given since immemorial time and in most civilized countries to anyone who brings light to others, such as Lucifer, Jesus or Prometheus.

The planet Venus is said to be the light-bearer of our earth; Venus in greek is Phosporous what means light bearer.

Prometheus, who brought fire and thus light to humanity and who was thus etymologically a Lucifer or Light-bearer. Prometheus was banished of Olympus by Zeus, as Lucifer banished from heavens by God.

In the Book of Revelation, Christ referred to himself as “the bright and morning star,” that is, Lucifer. Christ, Prometheus, and Lucifer were all symbolic bringers of light to the world.

There is some association to light bearer as bringer of life too.

In egypt there is the goddess Bast, she is represented as being one of the goddesses of the birth chamber, and it is possible that she has some relation to venus ; her son Khensu was declared to make women fruitful and make the human germ grow, he is regarded as a lightbearer sometimes.

There is the representations of Lucifer as a serpent too, in egypt, serpent means life, there is a symbol called Ouroboros which is related to life, and it is a serpent(it is in my sig. picture thake a look, its a serpent eating its tail and its around the symbol). In jew gnosticism, there is the "way of the serpent"(I don´t know if its called like this in english) that in the Tree of Life brings something from its unmanifested level in Kether, into life in Malkut.

The Hebrew word translated "O Lucifer," in Isaiah 14:12 is heylel {hay-lale'}; it means "light-bearer." It refers to the king of Babylon figuratively but to Satan literally. To dovetail on what was already written by others on this thread, satan is referred to as the “son of the morning” in Isaiah 14:12. But Jesus the Christ calls Himself, “the Bright and Morning Star.” There is NO correlation whatsoever between Jesus and satan.

Who is the DEVIL?
BY DAVID C. PACK
http://www.thercg.org/books/witd.html?gclid=CNuWq7myu4YCFTScJAodfRVqTg

Originally posted by DirectorFitz
The point I wanted to get across in my posts is that son of dawn and morning star are totally different in description. Now, as the post mentioned, morning star was a mix up in translation from hebrew to the NIV. It was originally son of morning...and in revelation, Jesus does not call himself son of morning, he calls himself the bright and morning star.

Once again Dfeezy you have rightly divided the Word of God. Good job! 🙂

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth .

The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
13:1

That was the introduction,isaiah was talking about babylon and it's king

And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 13:19

more proof it's about babylon.

14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

What nations did satan cut?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
13:1

That was the introduction,isaiah was talking about babylon and it's king

And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 13:19

more proof it's about babylon.

14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

What nations did satan cut? [/B]

Who is the DEVIL?
BY DAVID C. PACK
http://www.thercg.org/books/witd.ht...CFTScJAodfRVqTg

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
13:1

That was the introduction,isaiah was talking about babylon and it's king

And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 13:19

more proof it's about babylon.

14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

What nations did satan cut? [/B]

Originally posted by Nellinator
Many of the prophecies of the OT had two meanings, one meant for their current time and one for the future. In answer to your last question, I believe that this passage is an allusion to Satan being cast down to earth by God and that Satan's influence in the world weakened all the nations.

I find it more plausible that they had no meaning for the future.

That is always a possibility. Sometimes it is hard to tell which ones were meant for the future.

I believe it is a title. Satan held it until he fell.

Originally posted by Nellinator
That is always a possibility. Sometimes it is hard to tell which ones were meant for the future.

That is the problem, isn't it. I think the bible says one thing and you think it say another. God never makes it clear.

That is why we need faith in addition to what we can see and rationalize. God wants us to believe and then know not know and then believe. Some people have a hard time with that concept, but I find it just ducky.

Originally posted by Nellinator
That is why we need faith in addition to what we can see and rationalize. God wants us to believe and then know not know and then believe. Some people have a hard time with that concept, but I find it just ducky.

Yes, and I think there are a lot more important things to do, in life, them sit around and contemplate an end days, that may never come in your life time.

The end days should be of no significance to Christians. We must live a life full of love, grace, mercy, patience, joy, and good works under the acceptance of Jesus's sacrifice and then we will not have to worry about our eternity. We must concentrate on doing God's will in our life. We must focus on what he have control over (our lives) rather than contemplating what we have no control over.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The end days should be of no significance to Christians. We must live a life full of love, grace, mercy, patience, joy, and good works under the acceptance of Jesus's sacrifice and then we will not have to worry about our eternity. We must concentrate on doing God's will in our life. We must focus on what he have control over (our lives) rather than contemplating what we have no control over.

Then why all the fire and brimstone, and end of days, teaching going on in the evangelical Christian churches?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why all the fire and brimstone, and end of days, teaching going on in the evangelical Christian churches?

Originally posted by Regret
They don't understand what it means to be Christian, and they are only worried about what happens to them in the end.

In other words, they are selfish.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In other words, they are selfish.

Yes, and very poor at conversion.

Originally posted by Regret
Yes, and very poor at conversion.

You guys are no fun...

Were did JesusIsAlive go?bash 😆

Exactly.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You guys are no fun...

Were did JesusIsAlive go?bash 😆

😠 Are you saying we use the brains we have to reason through our beliefs?

😆 😆

Originally posted by Regret
😠 Are you saying we use the brains we have to reason through our beliefs?

😆 😆

I wouldn't go that far. 😆