Re: Olympus vs Asgard - WAR!
Originally posted by armandovalles
OLYMPUS:
Zeus
Hercules
Pluto
Ares
Hermes
Apollo
Hephaestus
Neptune
Hippolyta
Gaea
Wonder Woman (i know she's DC, but she's still an Olympian Amazon)VS
ASGARD:
Odin
Thor
Loki
Thunderstrike
Balder
Fandral
Beta Ray Bill
Hogun the Grim
Sif
Enchantress
Thor GirlWho wins?
Hogun and Fandral don't belong here. Replace them with Heimdall and Hel or something.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
yes, if we follow the myth...cronus or kronos (the abstract god of time in comics), would also be zeus' father...
not sure of the origins in comics though...
I'm pretty sure that Kronus the Titan and Chronos the Titan God of Time are two different characters with similar names.
hmmmm...
The Asgardians are a more brutal lot, overall, and classically are willing/expecting to die in a great and glorious battle, anyway, and therefore, paradoxically, have the most chance of winning *if* "the warrior spirit" were all that were required to win...
However...
The Olympians classically wield greater power, innately, as Zeus and his brothers and sisters are a step closer, overall, to the divine power of the world (wheras Odin, and a handful of others, had to gain much of their power over time); but that isn't as true as it used to be, especially with the gradual loss of power from the past two major battles (and losses) against foreign powers (Darkseid, et al) -- they aren't quite so powerful anymore, and not able to fight with the same fervor as in ages past.
I'll go with the Asgardians winning, contextually, whatever the "ultimate goal" of the conflict is, but at a terrible cost in attrition (Odin goes down, as do many others, such as Enchantress; ironically, Thor and Loki survive, and have to find a way of getting along in the aftermath of this "unexpected Ragnarok"😉. Several Olympians die, but overall are more driven into a recessive state, with only a couple of them still active in any real way for many years (Diana would probably die, but as a last saving grace, would be restored again as "Diana Alethea Hypollatas -- Goddess of Truth", to help offset the loss of other divine beings.
A nasty fight all around. On reconsideration, there would be no real winners in this, no matter the details, as the effective losses on each side would be devastating to both pantheons. In a far future, the two surviving groups would almost certainly have to merge in order to fend off (Galactus, Darkseid, Aunt May with a winning bingo card, etc) just to ensure *either* groups survival.
In Marvel, the Olympians may be true gods while the Asgardians are aliens-who-became gods, but the average Asgardian seems to be more powerful- normal Olympians only have class 25 strength! Only two of them reach class 100! (Herc and Zeus) More Asgardian characters have real omph, there's Odin, Thor, and BRB at least.
Or compare Sif and Athena- Sif's class 50, Athena's class 35.
Olympians do noticeably better on the magic front, but the Asgardians have a few big hitters there too.
Originally posted by Q99olympions base strength are higher than asgardians.
In Marvel, the Olympians may be true gods while the Asgardians are aliens-who-became gods, but the average Asgardian seems to be more powerful- normal Olympians only have class 25 strength! Only two of them reach class 100! (Herc and Zeus) More Asgardian characters have real omph, there's Odin, Thor, and BRB at least.Or compare Sif and Athena- Sif's class 50, Athena's class 35.
Olympians do noticeably better on the magic front, but the Asgardians have a few big hitters there too.
also
Zeus, Herculese, Poseiden and Pluto are all stronger than thor.
Pluto can amp his strength via magic along with the other two
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
olympions base strength are higher than asgardians.also
Zeus, Herculese, Poseiden and Pluto are all stronger than thor.
Pluto can amp his strength via magic along with the other two
Asgardians have a lot more people above their base strength though. Thunderstrike's at or near class 100 too, and Thor Girl's class 75+. Hela's another class 100 (with strong magic to boot).
Pluto and Poseidon are both listed at class 70 pre-amping, as is Ares. Apollo's class 50. I think everyone else is 35 or less. Heimdall, Balder, Sif, Fandral, and probably a few more are class 50, the Valkyries are all class 40, and Loki can magic amp up to usefully high levels too.
Pluto and Poseidon can get amped up to higher levels, but Asgard has strength amping items and magic too, often quite considerable ones.
The might of the Olympians is almost all in the few you name, while there's like a dozen Asgardians of note. Pluto and Poseidon are stronger than their Asgard foes, but they're outnumbered.
Full group vs full group, Asgard's got a lot more strong people, though it's more fair if you focus on limited pairings.
Originally posted by Q99
Or compare Sif and Athena- Sif's class 50, Athena's class 35.
Sif is just a normal Asgardian without any exotic powers whereas Athena possesses powers other than strength though right?
It's kind of false to say the Asgardians are more powerful. They're physically stronger yes, but the Olympians are more powerful because more of them use magic.
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Sif is just a normal Asgardian without any exotic powers whereas Athena possesses powers other than strength though right?It's kind of false to say the Asgardians are more powerful. They're physically stronger yes, but the Olympians are more powerful because more of them use magic.
Sif also has a magic sword that can cleave between dimensions.
And yea, Athena etc. has more magic, but not a ton. A fair bit of magical knowledge but I don't think she's shown any major mojo, just animating stuff, some size changing, that sort of thing.
Most of the Olympians have just a little magic, teleportation, hiding their mortal guises, and a few other tricks. Only, again, the big three of Olympus, Zeus, Pluto, and Poseidon are big-hitters of spellcasting.
On top-tier magic users, Asgard has Odin, Loki, Amora, Hela... and quite a few who aren't spellcasters themselves are fairly good against magic.
I guess it could be said the Asgardians are more specialized, but they again have more people in the higher levels of that category. The Olympian's best people tend to be their best in both categories, while the Asgardians simply have more exceptional people be it in one or the other.
Originally posted by Q99you know what. this fight happened in comics(something between thor and herc caused a full war) as i recall zeus and odin met and made a treaty because both sides were losing numbers quickley. they were pretty even
Sif also has a magic sword that can cleave between dimensions.And yea, Athena etc. has more magic, but not a ton. A fair bit of magical knowledge but I don't think she's shown any major mojo, just animating stuff, some size changing, that sort of thing.
Most of the Olympians have just a little magic, teleportation, hiding their mortal guises, and a few other tricks. Only, again, the big three of Olympus, Zeus, Pluto, and Poseidon are big-hitters of spellcasting.
On top-tier magic users, Asgard has Odin, Loki, Amora, Hela... and quite a few who aren't spellcasters themselves are fairly good against magic.
I guess it could be said the Asgardians are more specialized, but they again have more people in the higher levels of that category. The Olympian's best people tend to be their best in both categories, while the Asgardians simply have more exceptional people be it in one or the other.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
you know what. this fight happened in comics(something between thor and herc caused a full war) as i recall zeus and odin met and made a treaty because both sides were losing numbers quickley. they were pretty even
I'm not surprised by that. I'm just saying I think Asgard *should* beat Marvel Olympus 🙂 (DC Olympus, less-so)