Lucifer

Started by CosmicSurfer3 pages

Correct me if I'm wrong,

Judiasm doesn't even have a devil or angels for that matter. I believe Satan/Lucifer is purely borrowed from different pagan religions.

Christianity to me is like a conglomeration of Judiasm, Zoroasterism, Mithirism, and Wiccan beliefs.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Actually i am afraid to say that Christianity came from Judaism, sorry. Yet we still don't know if most of those religions copied off of Christianity. May i remind that all these things that happened had something to do with god when they did, just because the other religions got everything wrong except for the odd few things about the existance of a god doesn't mean that Christianity copied them, but the whole idea still doesn't despell Christianity anyway.

It was not those religions that were copied off, it was christianity that came from then, they are much older than christianity. If you study these religions you will find a lot of analogies.

Christianity to me is like a conglomeration of Judiasm, Zoroasterism, Mithirism, and Wiccan beliefs.

Agreed. But you should add more to that list; Greek, Nordic, Hinduism, Buddhism, Egyptian, Sumerian and Babylonian, Akkadian for what I remenber.

Lucifer, or Luciferes means luci(light), and feres(bearer), or light bearer in hinduism there are the manasaputras, those born of the will of Brahma, I think there was something about them having some relations with "light bearer", but I´m not sure. Venus is the light bearer in other religions too(Egyptian, and druidism), Lucifer have some relation with the moon too. The goddess Bast, is supposed to be the light beared too.
This "light bearer" thing appears in many religions, and lucifer came from it, but its meaning, I must say ITS NOT EVIL.

I believe Lucifer to have taken the form of Michael Moore to bring down America from within, so he can rise up and take control of our hemp growth operations.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Lucifer, or Luciferes means luci(light), and feres(bearer), or light bearer in hinduism there are the manasaputras, those born of the will of Brahma, I think there was something about them having some relations with "light bearer", but I´m not sure. Venus is the light bearer in other religions too(Egyptian, and druidism), Lucifer have some relation with the moon too. The goddess Bast, is supposed to be the light beared too.
This "light bearer" thing appears in many religions, and lucifer came from it, but its meaning, I must say ITS NOT EVIL.

add to that that Jesus himself got called Lucifer in the 3th century AD... or at least near that, have to check that again

Originally posted by Atlantis001
It was not those religions that were copied off, it was christianity that came from then, they are much older than christianity. If you study these religions you will find a lot of analogies.

But that's what christianity is mostly about, Jews. Just because they both have likenesses doesn't mean that they copied, just because someone has the same eye colour as me doesn't make us related.
if we are going to put it that way i'll use your idea against you, many religions believe in there being a powerful god, and most of the things which happen in the beleifs seem the same, so that means that there is a god but the beleifs were changed as they were told until only a few things seemed the same.

Plus, them other religions could have copied off Judaism.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
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Plus, them other religions could have copied off Judaism.

Judaism copied off of the Sumerian's, Babylonians, and Persians when in captivity....they are all mingles with similar stories.

Exactly. Judaism is older than christianism, but is the newer religion of those I told you. Judaism has elements of Egyptian religion because they were made slaves, and it has Sumerian/Babylonian elements, and Akkadian elements amongst others, because actually Jews came from Akkadians which later became arabs, and Jews. I mean that the Jewish people were the Sumerians, and Babylonians before.

Those similarities between the religions is something that is studied by scientists like historians, archeologists, antropologists, theologists they are not opinions they are facts.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Exactly. Judaism is older than christianism, but is the newer religion of those I told you. Judaism has elements of Egyptian religion because they were made slaves, and it has Sumerian/Babylonian elements, and Akkadian elements amongst others, because actually Jews came from Akkadians which later became arabs, and Jews. I mean that the Jewish people were the Sumerians, and Babylonians before.

Those similarities between the religions is something that is studied by scientists like historians, archeologists, antropologists, theologists they are not opinions they are facts.

I wonder if anyone will listen to these "Facts"...You might want to copy and paste this all over the place.......All over chibi boy...

last time I checked they had no real proof that jews were slaves in egypt

Originally posted by yerssot
last time I checked they had no real proof that jews were slaves in egypt

They were living in Persia....The only proof of slaves in Egypt was a stone carved wall...but not sure. It didn't say much.

The story goes that Lucifer was indeed a great Angel (Arch-Angel or whatever) and his love for God grew larger to the point in which he took great pride and he became rather Narcisst (sp?) and jealous. So God threw his butt down to earth and along with his buddies. As years and years past, Lucifer became more wicked and was locked forever in hell.

Since Moses, Abraham, Daniel and the whole gang from the OT were never Christinize the Devil kept them in Hell. When J.C. was crucified the story tells that somehow someway (I don't remenber the details) J.C. Freed all the geezers and took them up to heaven. Locking the gates of hell until J.C. returns to earth during the Final Judgement.

Great story. If it is real this would top it all!

Originally posted by WindDancer
The story goes that Lucifer was indeed a great Angel (Arch-Angel or whatever) and his love for God grew larger to the point in which he took great pride and he became rather Narcisst (sp?) and jealous. So God threw his butt down to earth and along with his buddies. As years and years past, Lucifer became more wicked and was locked forever in hell.

Since Moses, Abraham, Daniel and the whole gang from the OT were never Christinize the Devil kept them in Hell. When J.C. was crucified the story tells that somehow someway (I don't remenber the story) J.C. Freed all the geezers and took them up to heaven. Locking the gates of hell until J.C. returns to earth during the Final Judgement.

Great story. If it is real this would top it all!

Well most think Satan is waiting in hell and is torturing people there now, but other scriptures tell him as not torturing people, but getting thrown into the lake of burning fire in the end...The story of Jesus going to hell to free the captives and setting them free...is only an interpretation of what the verses say....It was more symbolic.....But, in the gnostic book of....ahhh, I can't remember, It has Jesus going down and waking Adam, and everyone else up to free them....I can look it up if you need it....

i didnt read any of the other quote written by other people

Prince of Darkness

Registered: Nov 2004
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Lucifer

Ok I dont believe in the devil but is it true he was like gods most beautiful angel but god punished him for something. anyways my question is how does he really look like?!? does he really exsist and can he really transform into anything he wants?!?

u do not know how he looks like because he is a spirit
as a christian i believe that he exist
he can turn into anything that goes against God

lucifer aka satan

has lost the war on Earth Jesus Christ has beaten him

from then on up to now all he tries is to take as many of human as possible down to hell with him

this is according to me, i may be wrong but this is my thought

Ok I dont believe in the devil but is it true he was like gods most beautiful angel
kind off contradicting yourself there

Originally posted by yerssot
last time I checked they had no real proof that jews were slaves in egypt

Anyway it doesn´t change anything, there is some elements in judaism that some people believe to had egyptian origin.

there is some elements in judaism that some people believe to had egyptian origin.
being the force Egypt was it aint all suprising they would have some influence on certain aspects with things

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well most think Satan is waiting in hell and is torturing people there now, but other scriptures tell him as not torturing people, but getting thrown into the lake of burning fire in the end...The story of Jesus going to hell to free the captives and setting them free...is only an interpretation of what the verses say....It was more symbolic.....But, in the gnostic book of....ahhh, I can't remember, It has Jesus going down and waking Adam, and everyone else up to free them....I can look it up if you need it....

If you be so kind...yes...I would appreciated. And maybe a link if possible. I would like to get the story straight.

Living amongst other cultures usually do have a big influence on another..And that's why the scriptures have elements of myths in them.

You mean like a culture clash? Umm..yeah, I would accept that. Certain people get involved with other people of different culture. Eventually they adapt their literature, art, and traditions.