Originally posted by leonidasCutting claws aren't quite the same thing as bludgeoning force.
hate to say it, but that abomination fight was pretty ridiculous . . .i don't often call PIS, but a couple claw slashes ko him when savage hulk has beat on him entire ISSUES?
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you've proven your case, jinzin, but that fight really doesn't sit well with me i'm afraid . . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
Cutting claws aren't quite the same thing as bludgeoning force.
that's true. it's the ease and speed that he went down that i question. abom has taken massive damage in the past. wolvie ko'd him in only a couple shots. had this been a prolonged battle, where blood loss and frustration at not being able to hit wolvie finally led to exhaustion and defeat for abom, i could mostly buy that.
wolvie barely worked up a sweat taking out someone who has taken out the hulk??
sorry cresh, but that my friend is ridiculous.
Originally posted by leonidas
hate to say it, but that abomination fight was pretty ridiculous . . .i don't often call PIS, but a couple claw slashes ko him when savage hulk has beat on him entire ISSUES?
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you've proven your case, jinzin, but that fight really doesn't sit well with me i'm afraid . . .
all I'm saying is that wolverine can penetrate hulk's hide...
we didn't see that last strike wolverine hit abomination with...
assuming that was a puncture-attack to his head...and that abomination doesn't have the regenerative capabilities of the hulk...there's not much reason why abomination wouldn't have gone down...
Originally posted by leonidas
that's true. it's the ease and speed that he went down that i question. abom has taken massive damage in the past. wolvie ko'd him in only a couple shots. had this been a prolonged battle, where blood loss and frustration at not being able to hit wolvie finally led to exhaustion and defeat for abom, i could mostly buy that.wolvie barely worked up a sweat taking out someone who has taken out the hulk??
sorry cresh, but that my friend is ridiculous.
again..I wouldn't say wolverine didn't work up a sweat...I mean he punked wendigo in 4 panals..and Knocked his big ass out...going by pics alone you might think the same about wolvie..but with the text in the narration something else was revealed about him....here...
black & white, eh? where's the scans from?
and a puncture wound to abom's head that ko's him, would likely kill him, or just leave him howling in pain. either of which i would have found more believeable, frankly. believe it or not, i could actually see wolvie killing abom - abom underestimates him, wolvie slashes out his throat or puts a claw through his brain. simple. that's NOT how this fight was portrayed, however. hulk's hit wolvie countless times, abom never scores a shot. it took what appears to be very little effort for wolvie to win this, and he didn't even NEED to go nuts.
i can't help but think abom was nothing more than a plot device in this case. sorry jin.
So this thread suddenly revealed its secret identity? It was really a wreck vs wolvie thread all along!
Wrecker tossed Wolverine true, but I think if he didnt have to fight the entire avengers at once, he would have done alot more than toss wolvie. And somewhere in that wrecker thread, there was a scan of Wolvie gettin KOed by a guy that is the epidome of CANADIAN tech. Just throwing that little tidbit out there, do what ya want with it.
Originally posted by leonidas
black & white, eh? where's the scans from?and a puncture wound to abom's head that ko's him, would likely kill him, or just leave him howling in pain. either of which i would have found more believeable, frankly. believe it or not, i could actually see wolvie killing abom - abom underestimates him, wolvie slashes out his throat or puts a claw through his brain. simple. that's NOT how this fight was portrayed, however. hulk's hit wolvie countless times, abom never scores a shot. it took what appears to be very little effort for wolvie to win this, and he didn't even NEED to go nuts.
i can't help but think abom was nothing more than a plot device in this case. sorry jin.
the pics are from uncanny x-men 140. I got these scans from my essential x-men book, which I use when I can as to reduce the need to open up my older books and keep em in good condition, which explains why they are black and white...
as for the abomination fight...my argument's the same as it has always been, abomination is not quite as durable as hulk is...and he lacks the regenerative healing factor that hulk has...if these two attribues where taken away from hulk during his fights with wolverine, he would have died in a fight with wolverine a long time ago.
as for the effort again...to the "untrained eye" (lol) one might assume that wolverine didn't break a sweat, sure...but abomination is commenting during the spat that the ferocity of logan's attacks where of a more feriocious nature than even hulks...what I get from that?....wolverine was on the verge of a good berserker rage...
my point in the wendi pics was to show that even though he took care of wendigo in a rather quick fasion, going by picks alone one would assume wolverine used very little effort in that battle as well....but going by narraration we know that's not the case...
in that same notion, we see spiderman always throwing out insults and rude and witty remarks to his enemies, yet he's claimed on several occasions that those are just mind games...false bravado...that his real thoughts about what's happening are not quite so confident at all... it's the same concept..otherwise one might assume spiderman was fearless...we know different... going by the wendigo quotes and abominations thoughts about wolverine's blows ...he didn't do it without effort by any means IMO.
now as for how abomination went down, it is and will forever be a mystery... however wolverine claims he only needs one "last" slash to the jugular vien to secure a victory...
One last? does that mean he had one first strike to the jugular vien? I mean it is possible, and it would explain why abomination wasn't screaming in pain or anything...AND it's not as if marvel characters such as abomination are immune to being KOed by being puntured in the throat..... but don't take me word for it...look.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine once crashed on a motorcycle going a 110mph, he smashed into a huge tree and broke it in half... got up at was pissed that is cigar was ruined.Wolverine is a beast, one hit from Abomination isn't going to cut and with out the luxury of a healing factor Abomination is going to have to deal with incredible build up of damage that Wolverine can dish out. Can he do that and pull out a win? It seems unlikely.
Why is it that Wolverine is able to withstand this amount of injury unaffected? I understand that he has a great healing factor, he is slightly above regular human strength, awesome reflexes and senses, but he is essentially not significantly more durable than say Captain America. And Cap is human albeit top notch human. Now if Cap suffered an injury from a scuffle with the Hulk or much less an injury like Wolverine suffered above I think he wouldn't be getting up for awhile and probably die on impact. Now what makes Wolverine so special? I think if he is (Wolverine) able to take this sort of punishment and can "stab" the Hulk, than writers need to state some reasons for this like he has some how gained 10x human strength and durability. He shouldn't be described as just a really tough human, but a really tough super strong, durable, etc. human. Hulk can withstand shots from missiles unscathed but yet is cut by a 200 pound man with really sharp and indestructible knives? Unless Wolverine has super strength I don't see how he can provide enough force behind his claws to punture, cut tear, etc Hulks or Abominations hide.
Originally posted by meep-meepDon't get things started. . . 😖hifty:
Why is it that Wolverine is able to withstand this amount of injury unaffected? I understand that he has a great healing factor, he is slightly above regular human strength, awesome reflexes and senses, but he is essentially not significantly more durable than say Captain America. And Cap is human albeit top notch human. Now if Cap suffered an injury from a scuffle with the Hulk or much less an injury like Wolverine suffered above I think he wouldn't be getting up for awhile and probably die on impact. Now what makes Wolverine so special? I think if he is (Wolverine) able to take this sort of punishment and can "stab" the Hulk, than writers need to state some reasons for this like he has some how gained 10x human strength and durability. He shouldn't be described as just a really tough human, but a really tough super strong, durable, etc. human. Hulk can withstand shots from missiles unscathed but yet is cut by a 200 pound man with really sharp and indestructible knives? Unless Wolverine has super strength I don't see how he can provide enough force behind his claws to punture, cut tear, etc Hulks or Abominations hide.
Originally posted by PiedmonYou're kidding, thats your premise.
Wolverine IS much more durable then Captain America.Wolverine takes the point of a stealth bomber in the back, gets up and fights a cyborg.
If Cap took that same damage, he'd be in pieces all over New York.
And I still say Wolverine takes this, too. He's given Hulk better fights then Abomination.
No offense, but you think he is as durable as hulk now?
Do you know what a thunderclap does?