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Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I have plenty, as do many people around here. But there's no point wasting anything on you, because you have your mind made up on what you saw in movie. you've also totally drowned out the possibilty for speculation and "thinking outside the box" as GL reminds us to do in one of his many interviews, and you hate Eu, so you won't accept anything Eu based for fear that it might change the way you think about the movie.

Anomaly, people here in Eu dislike you, but it's more about how you reason then your stance on Eu per se.

you misunderstand me. i never said it wasent possible that Dooku MIGHT have been holding back. anything is possible.

but please tell me (in canon terms, not EU i've already said EU changes things) of ANY evidence of the fact that dooku was holding back during that fight, if you can then OK, ill give you the benifit of the doubt. but to just say "it was obvious" and all that means nothing, cause it wasent obvious at all.

in the movie what was obvious was this:

Dooku fought anakin and obi

dooku schooled obi as per usual

Obi got hurt

Anakin got mad

Anakin Owned dooku

thats it.

I agree with Anomaly SOLEY on the movie dooku vs. Anakin interpretation. In the movie, there's very little to say Dooku was holding back, especially when Anakin cuts his hands off. The book also explains any questionable parts, like how Dooku is doing so good against them both at first, because they are faking different styles and then they catch him off guard. Dooku planned to kill Obi, which he didn't, and he didn't plan to lose his hands or his life. The book also says more or less that (in book) Sidious told Anakin to use his anger and that made him much stronger and so he caught Dooku off guard. In the movie, Dooku says something along those anger lines.

I believe if no one had told Anakin to use his anger, and if Dooku was trying to kill Anakin, he would've succeeded. However, I also believe Anakin still would've put up a great fight and I think he still rivals Dooku.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
you misunderstand me. i never said it wasent possible that Dooku MIGHT have been holding back. anything is possible.

but please tell me (in canon terms, not EU i've already said EU changes things) of ANY evidence of the fact that dooku was holding back during that fight, if you can then OK, ill give you the benifit of the doubt. but to just say "it was obvious" and all that means nothing, cause it wasent obvious at all.

Please grab me a carton of milk (without any idea of where I live, and no mode of transportation besides your legs, and no money besides your ten finger discount).

See?

Anyone can load a question with a bunch of conditions that make it next to impossible.

In that same movie, I saw this:

Dooku owned Obi-Wan easily.

Anakin killed Dooku.

Obi-Wan cut up Anakin.

It doesn't take a genius to say that there are some incongruities, regardless of if it is explained in EU or not.

So next time you try to load a question, use YOUR BRAIN.

QED, you're done.

Damn... I didn't even get to strike back. Nice work, Illustrious.

I'll just put it this way:

Look at the way, Anomaly, Dooku fights Anakin in AOTC. He has very smooth, precise movements. Now, look at ROTS Dooku when he's fighting Anakin. Watch as in his movement make him look like he's a newbie kinda since his moves are completely different from AOTC. He makes his swing incredibly big, something he never did in AOTC, his movements are completely different. They are the almost exact opposite.

movements? precise attacks? there not real fighters, jedi are not real, its not real sword play, its stunts.

notice that obi's abilities are nothing like they were in Eps II? thats cause its a movie.

the forms dont exist, they do whatever nick G. wants them to do.

have you ever heard "the simplest solution..."

anyone can over analyze something to make it fit an argument. its easy to do.

simply, Dooku lost because Anakin beat him. anything else is speculation and non-conclusive evidence. we've seen Dooku fight few times, hardly enough to create any sort of real idea of what his swordsmanship looks like (which is impossible anyways, cause its not real)

as for Obi beating Anakin i already explained myself before.

Anakin was beating Obi for the whole fight. Obi was always defensive.

Anakin made 1 stupid mistake that cost him. and THAT mistake was made to be obvious to the viewers. Dooku not trying was certainly not.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
movements? precise attacks? there not real fighters, jedi are not real, its not real sword play, its stunts.

notice that obi's abilities are nothing like they were in Eps II? thats cause its a movie.

the forms dont exist, they do whatever nick G. wants them to do.

have you ever heard "the simplest solution..."

anyone can over analyze something to make it fit an argument. its easy to do.

simply, Dooku lost because Anakin beat him. anything else is speculation and non-conclusive evidence. we've seen Dooku fight few times, hardly enough to create any sort of real idea of what his swordsmanship looks like (which is impossible anyways, cause its not real)

as for Obi beating Anakin i already explained myself before.

Anakin was beating Obi for the whole fight. Obi was always defensive.

Anakin made 1 stupid mistake that cost him. and THAT mistake was made to be obvious to the viewers. Dooku not trying was certainly not.

Anomaly..simple put your an ass...get out of the EU forums.

Actually, according to the script, Anomaly, Dooku looks straight at Palpatine before he dies and exclaims "What? You promised me amnesty!" No, this didn't make its way into the original film, but it is in the script itself, along with a few other things that didn't make it.

So much for speculation.

Lucas didnt put it in the movie for a reason, because he didnt want it there.

unfortunatly things that "could" have been mean nothing at all..

Originally posted by darthrevan89
Anomaly..simple put your an ass...get out of the EU forums.

great response, amazing argumentation...

im extremely impressed...

ohh and No

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Lucas didnt put it in the movie for a reason, because he didnt want it there.

unfortunatly things that "could" have been mean nothing at all..

That's speculation, Anomaly. Where does it say Lucas didn't want it in the movie if it's in the script?

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
great response, amazing argumentation...

im extremely impressed...

ohh and No

I call you an ass because you do your best to agrivate fans of EU.

The Anomaly, there is a reason why Obi-Wan was in the defensive all the time during his fight with Anakin. He is a Form III user, after turning from Form IV seeing Qui-Gon die from the lack of defence. A form three mastery requires someone to be well conditioned to save off fatigue from an expected long fight. When a weaknedd is found, you use that to its advantage.
Even with Obi-Wan's defenses, Dooku was still able to easily hit Obi-Wan in the arm and leg in AOTC. Also I find Obi-Wan easily affected by force powers, he has very little resistance. Being Forced Pushed by Maul, and then again by Dooku in ROTS, the latter being far more powerful, but Obi-Wan also being a lot more powerful.

Plus the whole fight in ROTS was staged, although I am sure Palpatine didn't tell Dooku about that he was going to die. So that would be the only true expression shown... mind you I found Christopher Lee a really good actor (obvious from the experience, but the older actors are better in general even from their youth, unlike Hayden or Portman - a common treand in any field - although mind you there are still the exceptions).

Okay when Dooku fell on the ground for instance his face looked surprised, but when Sidious said kill him... The look on his face then, he was scared shocked and surprised.

Does that not say enough.

Okay he lost but he would at least survive and then he hears that he dies.

Then you have that sentence that was supposed to be said by Dooku.

Then there is the fact that Dooku easily owned Obi Wan and kicked Anakin away, after that he starts toying with him, instead of taking him out Dooku tells Anakin to use his anger. Dooku kicked him away just seconds earlier. Logically speaking why would somebody like Dooku tell Anakin to use his anger if he didn't have a reason for it? Its not like he would want to fight Anakin, its clear that he sees Obi Wan as a greater opponent.

Also think of this, Dooku is second under Sidious. Sidious wanted to turn Anakin to the Dark Side, Dooku must know of this. Or at least of the relation the two of them have. Why would his master allow him to destroy Anakin when he wanted to turn Anakin? It makes no sense.

not nessassarly, i think the shock was more the fact that Dooku had expected Palpatine to come to his aid, or at least tell anakin to spare his life

this does not then imply that the fight was staged at all. it simply means that Dooku, being palpatines apprentice, had expected palpatine to save him and was suprised to hear his master tell anakin to kill him.

which in no way means that the fight was staged. also, he DID get his hands cut off. im sure had he been "not trying" he'd at least put in enough effort to not get his limbs hacked off if he was capable of it.

Please leave... you ruined my thread and you're acting like a know-it-all bastard. 🙄

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
not nessassarly, i think the shock was more the fact that Dooku had expected Palpatine to come to his aid, or at least tell anakin to spare his life

this does not then imply that the fight was staged at all. it simply means that Dooku, being palpatines apprentice, had expected palpatine to save him and was suprised to hear his master tell anakin to kill him.

which in no way means that the fight was staged. also, he DID get his hands cut off. im sure had he been "not trying" he'd at least put in enough effort to not get his limbs hacked off if he was capable of it.

He thrives on attention.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
He thrives on attention.

even if it's negative. 😬

He was the kid to constantly get slapped as a kid reaching into the cookie jar.