OBI-WAN KENOBI!

You guys are right it is to early the judge him, thanks anyway for your opinions

obi-wan was probably the best choice for training ani. It was his masters dying wish that ani be trained so dont you think he had more reason to succeed than any of the other jedi?

Well, I don't quite see the direct connection there. I think personality clash may be a problem; Obi-Wan has a fiery personality and was well served by the calmer Qui-Gon. Having a hothead teach a hothead could be problematic.

But Obi-Wan has clearly changed by ANH. So we'll have to see how well he's developed by Episode II. Maybe he's already started to be like his old master.

Now i ask what are your thoughts of ob1, do ya like him do ya hate him do u really care for. Please tell me your thoughts

Oh, I love him. In obth 'incarnations'. I don't understand why he has taken so much flak.

Cool, He is my favorite character in the series, and I believe he isn't the mess up we believe, he is theonly one to acuaally was trained by a jedi knight, all the rest were by the council

Yeah, in my opinion Obi-Wan is the best of the PT Jedi Knights. He must have a lotta skill, after all, only he and Yoda survive. And plus he trains Luke(the greatest Jedi of all time) so that makes up for a lot.

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obi wan is the most to blame of anikan's fall
i truly believe this because, he himself felt danger of the boy as did everyone else in tpm, and yet he still trained the boy. not only this but while training anikan he most likely saw anger in aniakn and he should ve stopped the training but an unwise obi wan decided to continue. he truly is the blame of anikans fall
and thats y i despise his character

Thats a little harsh. I blame Qui-Gon more than anyone else. QG was like a father to Obi-Wan and your telling me that if your dying father asked you to do something you wouldn't do it? Obi-Wan did it out of obligation. We have come to learn that Old Ben hid the truth, maybe it was someone else's fault(Padme?) and he took the blame to protect Luke. "Hey Luke I didn't do anything wrong, blame your mother, its all her fault." That probably wouldn't have gone over to well.

But I like Qui-Gon more... Qui-Gon's plan worked IN THE END, let's not forget that

True..and that is the most important point..

well it was qui gons fault as well
but i mean obi wan MUST HAVE seen anger in anakin in his training
and should ve ended the training

also when obi wan did accepted to train anakin

he still should'nt of
even thou his own master asked him too
cuz he was a jedi and a jedi should make his own move by his instincts

Yeah, but even accepting all that, I can't hate him. His mistake was all too human, and most of us would have done the same; if you see what I mean.

In E:1 Obi-Wan tells Qui-Gon that he would be on the council if he didn't disagree with them so much, so maybe he did see anger but he did not want to admit that he was wrong.

I think Qui-Gon interopreted what the others saw as anger as something else. Either that, or he thought it was an obstacle that COULD be overcome. Either way, it is doubtful that he missed it, or was stupid enough to ignore such a threat, even if he did want to spite the Council.

I think that QG should have been left out of TPM. He didn't really serve a purpose. I think that Obi-Wan should have been a Jedi at the beginning, but oh well.

In the first draft, Obi-Wan was the foucs. Qui-Gon only turned up at the end as an 'old friend', who then getskilled by Maul. To the tradionalists amongst us, the immedaite centralisation of Obi-Wan as the hero (and also in his mid-thirties, which made more sense) would have been great.

However, I think the transformation of Qui-Gon untop the foucs was a great idea. Liam Neeson played the role brilliantly, it gave a Jedi counterweight (so the main guys could actually talk to each other on a level playing field), it meant Qui-Gon's death had emotional resonance, instead of just being a dead charactcer... and of course, most of all, it set up the fundamental reason for Obi-Wan's eventual failure- a dying promise to his master.