Originally posted by Myth
Like... dust mites? Or MIGHT happen? 😉Anyway, I doubt it. I'm assuming they'll stick to more publicly known characters after this. He was a good person to start with because all the focus was on Batman's story and its best not to have a big name bad guy as a distraction to that part of the story. Now that Batman's story is told, they can bring in more known bad guys and the focus can be on them.
That was the major downfall of the original Batman films. Batman-Batman and Robin focused to much on the villians despite Batman being the title character, the films should always focus on Batman because he is the MAIN character, not his villians. So if a villian can be depicted correctly as well as his conflict with Batman, while Batman deals with his own inner conflicts and the plot is good, then thats all that matters.
I think it'd be really nice to see Liam as Ra's again, but I would begrudgingly also say that he served his purpose and now it's time to move on to other characters. It's best to leave him at that high point where the audience found him very interesting and wanted more of him. Perhaps he could be referenced in the future movies by some lines, maybe by Bruce or Alfred, to keep the memory and continuity of his character going. Same could go for the Scarecrow, where he's not seen again but referenced by line.
Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
catwoman survived in Returns, did she come back. riddler survived in forever, did he come back? everyone survived batman&robin, did they come back? we arent going to see ra's in the sequel. besides, batman begins sucked anyway.
geez some people are complete morons.
Plus, why did it suck? can you explain what you didn't like? Instead of ranting like a complete idiot...
Originally posted by Harvey Dent
Why are you even mentioning the past Batman movies? Don't you know that they are starting over again with a clean slate?geez some people are complete morons.
Plus, why did it suck? can you explain what you didn't like? Instead of ranting like a complete idiot...
"we need to learn to control our emotions" meditate
the only thing I didn't like about BB was how the fight scenes were up close...but that's not a huge big deal....I really enjoyed it..it was better than any of the other bat flicks and yes Batman Begins is in the Beginning the stuff from the other 4 movies doesn't count.
Originally posted by Myth
I believe he was just making a point that just because they survive, doesn't mean that they will be back.
But my whole point was that refering to the previous Batman movies is irrelavant considering Batman Begins is a totally different franchise than the previous Batman movies.
You might as well compare Spider-man villains then.
This is a whole new Batman franchise.
Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
catwoman survived in Returns, did she come back. riddler survived in forever, did he come back? everyone survived batman&robin, did they come back? we arent going to see ra's in the sequel. besides, batman begins sucked anyway.
Also this is a rediculous post...you were expecting the Batman & Robin Villains (freeze, Ivy) to appear in Batman Begins because they survived?!??!
Dumbest post I read on this board so far.
Originally posted by Harvey Dent
But my whole point was that refering to the previous Batman movies is irrelavant considering Batman Begins is a totally different franchise than the previous Batman movies.You might as well compare Spider-man villains then.
This is a whole new Batman franchise.
It doesn't matter whether it is a new franchise or not. It doesn't even have to be a comic book movie. He's just using it as an example to show that just because a bad guy lives (in any movie), does not mean that he will be back. Its possible, but doesn't mean he'll be back.
Originally posted by Myth
It doesn't matter whether it is a new franchise or not. It doesn't even have to be a comic book movie. He's just using it as an example to show that just because a bad guy lives (in any movie), does not mean that he will be back. Its possible, but doesn't mean he'll be back.
I find it ridiculous that he was refering to Mr. Freeze and Ivy and mentioned that they didn't return in Batman Begins.
Was he actually expecting them to return in Begins since it was the following movie?!!
guess what..Batman & Robin flopped. So no Ivy and Freeze yet. This is why they didn't appear in Begins.
Hell, is't only been one movie so far! Way too soon to do Mr. Freeze.
So no Mr. Freeze in Batman Begins. The series went in a dumb direction anyways after Returns and that's also why Catwoman didn't appear.
Joel is a complete moron.
So his references to the first movies are irrelavant.
Originally posted by Harvey Dent
I find it ridiculous that he was refering to Mr. Freeze and Ivy and mentioned that they didn't return in Batman Begins.
That part is pretty ridiculous.
As for being too early? I don't think the reason for them not being in Begins sequel is because it is too early. I think it is because they are lesser characters in the Batman world than other bad guys. Joker and Two Face DESERVE to be in the next movies and Freeze and Ivy don't.
I think you guys just misread him, I took it not as that they didn't return in Batman Begins, but that they didn't return in ANYTHING. Like, for instance, as he said, Catwoman survived Returns, but we never saw her in Forever or & Robin. Selina never showed up again. The only characters that have reappeared in Batman films are Batman, Robin, Alfred, Gordon, and Dent, to an extent. Its like the Spider-Man films. We never saw the announcer from the first one show up in the 2nd film. Granted he's not a lead character, but you get what I'm saying? I think he was just saying that it isn't like comic book films to have a returning villain, not necessarily that he thinks that anybody should've returned in Batman Begins.
IE
Batman Begins started a new series, so don't tie it into the other ones:
Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow
. Sequel will not feature either of those 2, but someone new. And those 2 won't return in Batman 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or anything like that
Batman Returns
Penguin and Catwoman
.Sequels "Batman Forever" and "Batman & Robin" did not feature either of those 2, but someone new.
Batman Forever
Riddler and Two-Face
.Sequel "Batman & Robin" did not feature either of those 2, but someone new.
Get what I mean?
As for whether or not I'd WANT them to return...I'd want Scarecrow to make a cameo, getting sent to Arkham, but that's it, not to be a major villain or anything.
Now, of course, that doesn't mean that we won't see Riddler, Two-Face, Catwoman, whatever...because, as mentioned above, they're not the same series, so there's no ties. In "Batman movie history" they will have been in more than one film, but they won't be the same series, so it doesn't count. We may see all of them return again, and I hope that's true, but they aren't gonna be Arnold's Freeze, or Carrey's Riddler, or anything like that.
The point is, however, that there's more of a chance that Scarecrow and Ra's won't return in a sequel, than that they will.
Say the sequel to Batman Begins includes The Joker. In that case, chances are, Batman Begins' 3rd film, most likely won't include The Joker. Hey, it might, but the way comic book films are and such, there's a very, very, very good chance they won't return.
Unless of course that they're the main villain, example, Kingpin in Daredevil, or Magneto in X-Men. They're basically characters that have to return, as most likely would Dr. Doom be in the F4 sequel.
But Batman doesn't have a nemesis that's ALWAYS the man in the lead, know what I'm saying? Joker is his arch-rival, but not his "ultimate nemesis that's always behind the scenes" type of guy.
I don't think Ra's Al Ghul should return in BATMAN BEGINS because of the fact that you need to make room for other villains. SCARECROW needs to come back and play a bigger role along with JOKER. Then squeeze CATWOMAN, CLAYFACE, PENGUIN, TWO FACE, and THE RIDDLER in somewhere and they've got themselves a triology.