Nataku's Amalgam tournament, final round... Scoobless vs Longpig!!!

Originally posted by long pig
Your point is taken....

But it was stated directly that there is no dimension hopping allowed, that was a drawback of having Wally.

The rules of the tourney basically neutered his ability to go FTL.

I mean, if we can go to other dimensions, then I'd like to know for myself so I can use it for my advantage.
Do you think we can, Khell?

Originally posted by long pig
So he can only go near lightspeed, same as Barry Allen.

There isn't a difference between the two Flashes here.

Quasars flight ability allows him to go faster than light without worrying about the speed force.... either way, Thordon is faster and you've shown virtually no usage of speed abilities in earlier prep our earlier rounds..... Thordon has made much more use of speed than.... (what was the name again? 😕 )

Originally posted by long pig
Unless we CAN go into other dimensions, then of course that's where my body will be shunted while I'll stay in this plane only in Astral Form.

and i'll use the hammer to locate it and go destroy it while you return in your Astral form

Originally posted by long pig
How will you see me? I'd be im Astral Form....Quasar can't see Astral form. You'd be too busy trying to figure out which is the real Strange of all the illusions, which none of them will be.

Did you forget I'm in Astral plane?

no... i'm just going for the physical body

Originally posted by long pig
What exactly are you hitting? You won't see me, you won't see my body and you won't be able to get to it even if you do somehow see it.

wont get to it? because of the time compression? all that does is slow down the attack a little..... it'll still hit it's immobile target, Magical shields cannot stop it.... once it's fired it's only a matter of time until impact (and not much time at that)

Originally posted by long pig
We are basically the same speed.
My reactions are backed by Flash, so are yours.

i have the additional intersteller travel speed of Quasar and much more practice with speed abilities

Originally posted by long pig
Did you not even read my strategy?
You're not hitting anything. You will see 1000 Stranges attacking you and that's it.

and each one of them will be wasted by a simple quantum construct attack... but as there're a ton of guys attacking i'll go straight for the guy not moving behind the shield

Originally posted by long pig
Quasar can't even boost his own strength with the quantum bands, you won't be able to boost your hammer.

i posted it in the last round..... he places a Quantum layering around the hammer's head before throwing... thus enabling it to pass through any magical shielding

Originally posted by long pig
Only the seriphem shields may be effected.....it's doubtful that it's true.
The Crimson Bands aren't shields, they are binding forces.

those were merely an example.... and the point is that they carve through magical constructions shields, binding, whatever....

Originally posted by long pig
The time compression he put around an atomic countdown clock. It made the clock and everything in its area slowed down and stopped.

the very nature of it being time "compression" means that it doesn't stop time.... just slow it down.... it's easier to make a clock look stopped than an energy wave moving at light speeds.... or beyond

Originally posted by long pig
If Flash goes faster than light, he time travels

but Quasar doesn't 🙂

Originally posted by long pig
I still don't even think you will know how to work your hammer.
The people who picked up Mjolnir as was able to use it got a portion of Thor's conciousness from the hammer itself......you only have Quasar's conciousness.

if the hammer delivers that ability then i get it due to possessing the hammer

Originally posted by long pig
you won't know who is the real Strange out of all those 1000 illusions...all attacking you.

how about i go for the one that looks like Absorbing Man... instead of all the mental images of Strange

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How is entering the speed force dimension different than the Astral Plane?

In any case, I think Quasar's beyond-light deals with that efficiently.

I'm going out of town for a couple days so I have to vote now. My vote is Scoobless (making it 2-2 if I counted correctly). Explanation: LP's used Strange brilliantly, and he may have enough to win it, but I honestly think just Thor vs. Strange would be a good fight, and Scoob has pimped out Thor a bit better than "Big Sexy" (that's his name, right?). I may actually be rooting for LP (nothing against Scoob, it's just easier to root against a defending champ) but I have to vote objectively...so my vote goes to Scoob.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Scoob has pimped out Thor a bit better than "Big Sexy"

PIMP!

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LP, do you have a second tactic? Your first post said you did, but so far you've stuck to the first one... I'll vote for Scoobless right now. Speed, strength, and a convenient way to bypass the shields, plus the fact that your body is made into an easy target by being immobile.

And I believe you mean "[]D [] []\/[] []D"

He can't see my body, that's the whole point.

The Crystal and my body are invisible.

I got a second strategy but i don't really want to type it all up.😛

he can see it it or detect it (or anything else) through the quantum bands and Mjolnir.... hell, just the quantum bands.... all he has to do is scan the EM spectrum and look for a blank spot that's being blocked by your body and shield

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Also, "due to his lengthy rebuttle" is a bit of a suspect reason to vote. If sheer number of words won you fights, I'm pretty sure Sentry would be in this fight right now (or Nat/SF for their 21 page epic battle).

-DM [/B]

My mistake, what I meant is that he won me over in what is in the rebuttle, not due to the length of it. With a body of iron, Dr. Strange's magic, and the speed of the flash, I see him taking the win more often than not ( not that scoobless can't win).

I guess this is all kind of moot seeing as how my vote doesn't count, but I felt I should clear up that confusion.

Originally posted by The King of All
My mistake, what I meant is that he won me over in what is in the rebuttle, not due to the length of it. With a body of iron, Dr. Strange's magic, and the speed of the flash, I see him taking the win more often than not ( not that scoobless can't win).

I guess this is all kind of moot seeing as how my vote doesn't count, but I felt I should clear up that confusion.

Cool...confusion cleared.

And sorry about the vote not counting...but rules are rules. There's another tourney in the works that you'll be able to vote in (or possibly be in too).

glad thats clear now... and I'll just wait 'till my vote does count, rules are rules, as you say

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no... i'm just going for the physical body

wont get to it? because of the time compression? all that does is slow down the attack a little..... it'll still hit it's immobile target, Magical shields cannot stop it.... once it's fired it's only a matter of time until impact (and not much time at that)

You won't see it there in the first place.
And it'll compress your blasts to where it nearly stops.

i have the additional intersteller travel speed of Quasar and much more practice with speed abilities

and each one of them will be wasted by a simple quantum construct attack... but as there're a ton of guys attacking i'll go straight for the guy not moving behind the shield

You won't see the guy not moving behind the magical construct that you can't see.

i posted it in the last round..... he places a Quantum layering around the hammer's head before throwing... thus enabling it to pass through any magical shielding

The quantum layering might get through, not the hammer.

those were merely an example.... and the point is that they carve through magical constructions shields, binding, whatever....

if the hammer delivers that ability then i get it due to possessing the hammer

how about i go for the one that looks like Absorbing Man... instead of all the mental images of Strange

You can't work mjolnir, you can't detect magic, you can't see the astral form.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
How is entering the speed force dimension different than the Astral Plane?

In any case, I think Quasar's beyond-light deals with that efficiently.
-DM

Astral form doesn't leave the battle field. Going into another Dimension does.

Quasar can't reach lightspeed except in space, so unless that's where we are, he ain't reaching lightspeed.

Quasar can't see or even ditect an Astral form, and he has no control over the hammer, what exactly can he do other than be blasted from a being he can't see?

Here is the one of the many times Strange has hid from sensors while in Astral form.
This time he's in the Avengers mansion attempting to steal the Darkhold.

Originally posted by long pig
You won't see it.

yes i will

Originally posted by long pig
it'll compress your blasts to where it nearly stops.

no, it'll only slow it down a little.... and it'll still hit (just might take a second or two rather than a microsecond)

Originally posted by long pig
Intersteller is the key word.
On Earth, Quasar have never went above sound.

he never had the reaction speed for it before.... but he clearly can go that fast

Originally posted by long pig
Post all you want, doesn't make it true.

it's a very simple attack.... quantum layer over the hammer... which will rip a hole in the shield allowing the hammer to pass with no loss of momentum..... it may not be "true" as in - it's never been done before....(as the character doesn't actually exist in Marvel) doesn't mean it wont work

Originally posted by long pig
The quantum layering might get through, not the hammer.

see above

Originally posted by long pig
The fan site just assumed.

the FAN site....

"Everything There Is To Know About Quasar's Quantum-Bands
by Mark Gruenwald "

http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_the_scenes/everything_quantum-bands.html

he worked at Marvel for years

Originally posted by long pig
You can't work mjolnir, you can't detect magic, you can't see the astral form.

i can work Mjolnir, i can detect magic and i don't need to see the astral form

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here's a little pic i made of both Namor and Iron Man detecting Strange in Astral form

it also shows Strange being knocked out when he strains himself.... and commenting to the effect that he's a lot weaker when in his astral form.... all the spells you have him performing and keeping up simultaneously will put a hell of a strain on him..... i seriously doubt he could maintain the workload you've placed on him without his physical bodies energies to back him up... and even then he'd be struggling

it also shows Namor snapping the bands of Cyttorak.... if he can do it Thordon definitely can

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yes i will

no, it'll only slow it down a little.... and it'll still hit (just might take a second or two rather than a microsecond)

it's a very simple attack.... quantum layer over the hammer... which will rip a hole in the shield allowing the hammer to pass with no loss of momentum..... it may not be "true" as in - it's never been done before....(as the character doesn't actually exist in Marvel) doesn't mean it wont work

Quantum and magic pass through each other, they don't rip holes.

i can work Mjolnir, i can detect magic and i don't need to see the astral form

Remember, just because you say something doesn't make it true, no matter how hard you want to believe it.

here's a little pic i made of both Namor and Iron Man detecting Strange in Astral form

I have scans of Strange saying "No one can see me unless I will it so." In the same book he has to will himself visible to a sorcerer who is almost as good as the ancient one.

So, sorry you're wrong....again.

it also shows Namor snapping the bands of Cyttorak.... if he can do it Thordon definitely can

Anyways, Thordon wouldn't be of sound enough mind to even try to break them.

Originally posted by long pig
Nope.
You still haven't proved a single way of how.

considering your argument was "no you wont" i thought "yes i will" was a valid counterpoint.... 😛

i already posted a couple of viable ways for Thordon to see/detect your crystal thingy 1) Mjolnir detects magic, 2)it'll block parts of the EM spectrum and Quasar will know the shape of whatever's there

Originally posted by long pig
That isn't how it works, and you know it.

going by the site i provided links for it says Quasar will be "able to slam an energy construct through a mystical shield of Seraphim, for instance"
it doesn't say pass through, "slamming" it through sounds a lot like it'll rip it apart

Originally posted by long pig
No you can't.
And yes you do.

yes i can (use Mjolnir).
and no i don't (need to see your astral form).... though if Iron Man's sensors can detect it from a distance so can Quasar

Originally posted by long pig
Remember, just because you say something doesn't make it true, no matter how hard you want to believe it.

same goes for you..... but i'm getting my info from a Marvel writer

Originally posted by long pig
Wow, you found a pic where someone sees Strange when he wills himself to be seen. Good one. It has nothing to do with your argument.

he also seemed very surprised that Namor could detect his astral form at all .... meaning that he isn't completely invisible when he thinks he is.

the other point was that technology could detect him.... not just people.... it has to do with the part where you believe that he can't be seen

Originally posted by long pig
I have scans of Strange saying "No one can see me unless I will it so."

to quote yourself "Remember, just because you say something doesn't make it true, no matter how hard you want to believe it."

or do believe everything comic characters say about themselves?

because , again, he was surprised that Namor could see him

Strange isn't infallible

Originally posted by long pig
You didn't seem to show the rest....I wonder why? hmmm....cuz Strange was in Namors mind at the time and it caused a psychic backlash knocking Strange out. Namor didn't break them until Strange was K.O'd.

actually it looked a lot like Namor breaking them is what caused Strange to be knocked out..... seeing as how the breaking occurs before the passing out

Scoobless gets my vote, can't be assed to explain though, take too long.

Good Game Scoob...can this end now so we can start on the street levelers?

Shit, I think I did friggin awesome using only one character.... 😆

Originally posted by long pig
I got a second strategy but i don't really want to type it all up.😛

So is that a bluff, or is your first strategy the better of the two?