If BATMAN FOREVER Was Directed By Tim Burton As The Final BATMAN Movie

Listen you peace of shit i was just ****ing around, dont go pissing in your batman underoos you damn geek, you want to call my cousin a retard well **** you and your peace of shit family ***** .if you think Keaton looked good well *** **** the chinless wonder your self . you wanna start something with this Latino, mother****a good , even though you aint nothing but a ***** with a big mouth.you want to call me retard just because i said something good about batman 4, geeks dont know how to take a joke it seems ,and you all mad cause of the nipples on the costumes when you still suck on your dirty mommas nipples, ***** please you must be doing that since all you do is cry cry cry cry on this forum. Also why is your name sevenman do you want **** seven men well i bet you are going to start with Michel Keaton since you think he looked so fine. so if you finally done bitchen **** off you silly little HO!!!

Hey pimp,you keep talking like that and using that kind of language,you will get banned here.relax dude.dont let a few internet dudes who dont know a crappy batman movie when its right in front of their eyes get to you, it not worth it.hit the ignore button,thats what I have done with some of them.

Originally posted by Harvey Dent
I would have loved to seen Tim Burton direct Two-Face.

He would have made him dark instead of a moron like Joel portrayed him.

how do you know that? Burton made the penguin into a sewer dwelling moron like schumacher did with two face. 🙄

Originally posted by sevenman
BATMAN RETURNS ROCKS!

Yeah, man.

Micheal Keaton would have done it if Tim Burton did it so they would not have casted another actor. Val Kilmer gave a wooden portrayal as Bruce Wayne unlike Micheal Keaton who was a very unlikely casting choice but ended up being the best Batman of all. If you have a beef with it my only conclusion is that you existed some time before the movie came out and was a big fan of the comics and was pissed off that Micheal Keaton was casted that Batman and either did not see or did not like, somehow, the dark teaser they released to covince fans of the dark kight that Batman was going to be portrayed well way back in 1988. Micheal Keaton was a good Batman. Get over it. Now Val Kilmer, in the movie you liked was a wooden sex clown in black leather that Joel Schumacher hired because he was "Younger" and looked "Sexy". I hear girls saying all the time "I LOVE BAMTAN FOREVER" and I'm like "Why" and they like "I DONT KNOW BUT I DID". I am not into bat nipples I am into a good or at least a consistant trilogy. George Clooney sucked the most out of every Batman in the world but it is not his fault.

Agreed, Bardock42. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were far worse choices. Just stick with Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. The REAL dynamic duo.

I concur.

Then watch the Batman of the 1970's and leave it out of a trilogy-that-never-was. That is what fans feared the most but Tim Burton was their savior. Well the REAL savior was Frank Miller. But still.

You can not change the actor in the trilogy or it is sloppy and the movies do not feel like they are linked together. Micheal Keaton is able to fit any role from comedy to the darkest of knights and he proved that in Batman and Batman Returns. Joel Schumacher was sent by Satan to **** everything up and he succeeded. Robin is the start of a long line of ad ons that do not really matter. The original purpose of the first Batman film was to go back to the dark roots of Batman and that is how it should have ended if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever. With no Robin just like you said. The way it should have been. If Robin is going to be with Batman he has to be there from the start and be a consistant character from there on out to the final shot in the trilogy. If he is not in the first one do not bother putting him in the second one and you should DEFINITELY not put him in the third since it is far too late by then. How do you know he would make Batman a wuss? You do not have a time machine to go back to the past and alter the events of the space time continuum to see if Tim Burton would have done a better job directing Batman Forever. Batman KILLED in the first Batman movies and he was ****ing awesome. Tim Burton would have went all out with Batman Forever if the Joel Schumacher plague did not come and wreck everything. Batman fought right out in the open dramatically in Batman Forever and people were CHEERING for him when he is supposed to be at odds with society and the police except for commissioner Gordon in some flashy fakeout hollywood neon fight as opposed to the far superior and mythological fights he would use in secret and to save a city of peoples that have fallen into total chaos in times of emergency. Micheal Keaton is not short, half bald, or out of shape. George Clooney sucks but my mommy likes him (**** you). I do not know who the **** Abbot and Costello is but The Lone Ranger had his own movie without Tonto and he did damned good, too. Batman would have too if there was no Robin, no bat bimbo, no, Joel Schumacher. Just Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. ****ing awesome.

No BATMAN RETURNS SUCKS BIG TIME

Kilmer was only wooden when he had corny lines to read as batman which was most the time,the times he had good lines such as IF BRUCE WAYNE COULD HAVE SAVED YOUR PARENTS BY GIVING HIS LIFE FOR THEM,HE WOULD HAVE.he was great at,most the times his serious lines were as bruce wayne and thats when he exclled the most.your shwoing why kilmer was better with those points,kilmer brought more crediblity to the role because he at least fit the part,if an actor doesnt even come close to resembling the role which keaton did not,then he brings no credibility to the role.its like burt reynolds being cast for boss higg,he brings no credibilty to the role because he does nt fit the part,same thing with keaon,how hard can that be to comprehend? : No keaton and clooney were far worse than Kilmer.the REAL dynamin duel is bale and Nolan.KEATON AND BURTON suck royally. 😛 keaton brought no crediblity to the role because he did not come even close to fitting the role and acted like a goofy idiot not remembering where he was in the mansion,thats not batman.Kilmer portrayed Wayne much better than keaton did.the dark roots of batman that burton did was make him into a cowardly killer,that butchered to death his character. 🙄 yes batman killed and he should have been wanted for murder at the end,it was much more like a james bond flick than a batman movie. michael keaton and tim burton were a freaking horrible combination for batman.thank god for shumacher and kilmer,at least schumacher did not cast someone only because he was friends with him. which is what burton did,he did not care about pissing off the true batman fans out there who hated the horrible casting of keaton. DEAL WITH IT.

and also,the TRUE batman from the comics would easily have beat that goon of the jokers blindfolded. 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Hey pimp,you keep talking like that and using that kind of language,you will get banned here.relax dude.dont let a few internet dudes who dont know a crappy batman movie when its right in front of their eyes get to you, it not worth it.hit the ignore button,thats what I have done with some of them.

I understand what you saying, i was going to ignore him until he called my little cousin a retard so if he going to talk about my family im going to talk about his.if i get banned thats just to damn bad!!!

yo sevenman i noticed every time i mentioned batman 3 or 4 you always say something about the nipples and the butt shots is that all you looked at in the damn movie were the nipples thats probably why you didnt like it because you weren't even looking at the movie. All you were thinking about were the nipples and butts, man you one perverted fruit!!! 😆

Originally posted by sevenman
I never wanted there to be a Batman & Robin, *******. Micheal Keaton was old and experienced with alot of training just like the real Batman unlike that ****head Val Kilmer. Danny Devito was a great actor as the Penguin and very new and convincing in the movie. Nerds get mad when people **** with the Penguins character and hate the Penguins character because it ****ing sucks. Tim Burton did something different like he did with the Joker and everyone accepted it. So you're saying...you would rather have a movie with a braindead actor as opposed to be willing to sacrifice a scene for the integrity of the overall movie? Good thing Tim Burton directed the first two films and not you.

Either way you are a *****. You are bitching about either way. Tim Burton was able to focus on the tradegdy of The Penguin and he would be able to do the same for Two Face and/or Scarecrow. The Riddler seems to belong in the 1966 Batman TV show the more I think about it.

Yo, I liked Burt Ward. He enjoyed the role just as much as Adam West. They are going to be called homosexual either way. It is the nature of man to acuse two men who spend alot of time together a gay butt ****er. That's life. I will never hear in my life "This is good and new in something old". So I am not surprised some dorks were arguing over The Penguin's new origin. It is like the Joker and Catwoman but it is still cool. None of Tim Burton's characters were over the top. They were subtle when they needed to be and dramatic at the climax. I felt so sorry for The Penguin when I saw him die for the first time when I was two, I still can recall.

THEY WAS THERE LONGER THAN THE BATMANS WAS!

Batman Forever is FAR off from the original comics and the first two are FAR closer to the original comics because they were dark. You say "He did not want to make them look like the rest". That is because movies were ripping off of the original Batman's Gotham City. It was the original not the rest. Psycho frezies do not exist in neon colors because Gotham City has something called a Police Force but there are some things they cannot handle and alot are corrupt and it is very complex but Joel Schumacher completely tossed this aside for two hours of stories nonsense as opposed to realism in a realistic enviornment like the Gotham City from the first two Batman films. Dark and serious was what the original trilogy was supposed to be. All the damn time. There is intellegent humor but if you spell "Psycho" as "Sico" you would not be able to spot it. They could have done a funny Batman series of movies but that has been done before and the fans did not want it. The Visa part killed, no, shattered the darkness that was once Batman. Even George Clooney regrets having done the part and says he was told he was doing an ice show as opposed to a dark, complex, and realistic movie. Jim Carey's The Ridler was an Ace Ventura wannabe and Frank Gorshin, rest in peace, was the best The Riddler there was or ever will be. You basically describe Two Face as some drunk guy. *****. EWW. Two Face is better than that. Micheal Keaton looks DAMN good! If you like Val Kilmer and his butt shots so much why don't you go **** him. I don't know who...you are...but **** you too.

except bruce wayne is NOT an old an old bald man,your crippling your arguments dude.devito was not at all convincing in that movie,thats hte most laughable statement of all you have made. 😆 again your crippling your arguments because everyboyd did NOT accept it,what burton did with the penguin or to the joker. 😆 Tim Burton made the penguin into a laughable idiot which is not true to his character.At least the riddler was funny,the penguin was not.with a character namedlike the penguin of course you would feel sorry for him to die.I wanted to see batman die in the first two batman movies because he was a cowardly killer who killed people in cowardly ways and should have been wanted for mureder at the end,thats horrible screenwriting,thats why batman begins was believeable unlike the burton batman films because it was realisitic when the commissioner said they will be no vigilantes taking the law into their own hands in his town.so the law was after batman in the film,thats good screenwriting,Burtons batman movies have horrible screenwriters. okay let me put it this way,a batman sequel without robin is like starskey and hutch without hutch or the dukes of hazzard with luke duke but not his cousin bo duke,same thing. the first two films are only loyal in the fact that they are dark,thats the only good point you have made so far.But they were too dark in the fact that they turned batman into a cowardly killer which crossed the line.Batman Begins at least did not make him into a cowardly killer which made batman a likeable guy for a change.

there was no realisem in the first two batman films.a movie about some guy who murders people and is treated like a hero at the end instead of being wanted for murder like he should have been is hardly realisem.the first two batman films were boring as hell all they did was stand around and talk most the damn time,thats nuts for batman film.please,the penguin was laughable as a villian,he wasnt real.If anything,two faces character was MORE real than the penguion.and a lady falling off a building and then coming to life because some cats bite her is realisem? ha ha,you crap me up with your laughable posts. 😆 thats all you got in the first two batman films was two nonsense story films.

The first tow batman films had no humor whatsoever,you CAN make a good dark serious batman movie and use humor in it the same time as batman begins proved.batman forever had some great humor in it and was dramatic at the same time,and had far better special effects than either of those crapfest burton batman films.at least jim carrey was funny as the riddler,devito was boring as hell and gave a horrible acting performance.

Originally posted by bakerboy
If Burton would direct batman forever it would be as bad as it is directed by Schumacher. The batman franchise was dead since the first movie, casting the short, unmuscular, almost bald, unnatractive and bad figher michael keaton for the role of batman and bruce wayne. I cant believe in a movie with a 5'7 or 5'8 guy with a wig trying to be a play boy. Plus, his strange behaving as bruce, forgeting the places in his own houses or being a bubling idiot with women was totally stupid. Same with batman returns. Plus, not origin, not enought development in batman character, the villains being the main characters, a stupid and retarded freak penguin, the total waste of gordon, etc. Batman forever and batman and robin were pretty bad too, but at least, kilmer looked more as bruce wayne than keaton and clooney. But at least, Nolan did a great job casting Christan Bale, who not only looks the part, he plays the part very well and is a great actor. Batman begins is a great movie, the other four movies were crap.

Very well spoken Bakerboy.I could not have said it better myself. 👆

Originally posted by sevenman
Seriously. What in **** this wangsta talkin?

Wow. Your little cousin must be ****ing retarded. The exact opposite happened with my nine year old brother Joey. He fell asleep in front of Batman & Robin when I was watching it on DVD to rant on the internet about how it sucked so bad and his eyes widened the whole way through Batman Begins on bootleg after we saw it in theaters.

LMAO HES RETARDED YO ROFL

You the only one who is whining, little wigger. We are reviewing movies and your mind might not be able to comprehend this but the opprotunity for a feature Batman film comes once in a blue moon and we need to pay close attention to them and handle them with upmost care for we are true Batman fans.

Look who's talking.

Did you even watch Batman? He ahinaliated all of The Jokers best men when they had a car chase with the Batmobile. In Batman returns he punched a guy in the face and then straped a bomb to his chest in five senconds and plunged him down a hole. Did you even...watch the first two movies? The first two Batman movies are the truest to the comic book besides Batman Begins. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin SUCK.

Batman Forever SUCKED. Batman was ****ING AWESOME and Batman Returns was twice as good.

That is because Tim Burton wanted Bruce Wayne to look like a common man when Micheal Keaton as Batman would whup yo ass.

Who the **** you talkin bout? The ****** at the end? He was hard because he was the thoughest of all of The Joker's men and he was also trying to make it like he was losing the fight on purpose so he could use his ninja powers of deception to make it seem like he won so when his guard was down the most he could throw him down the stairs of a hundred story building. Batman had control of the fight the whole time. I win the arguement.

Micheal Keaton was a great Bruce Wayne. How the **** is he aint a good Bruce Wayne? Val Kilmer is a ****ed up Bruce Wayne and Batman. He plays a wooden Bruce Wayne and a horny depressed man dressed up like a bat.

I love that part.

Actually the Batman was very dark in the original 1939 through the 1940's comics. In the FIRST comic that Batman premired in May of 1939, Detective Comics #28, Batman watched a thug fall into a vat of acid and all he had to say as he looked upon the sight was in a dark growl "A fitting end for his kind..." You, like Joel Schumacher are just sad, strange, confused little men who do not understand this and are more accustomed to the campy, in-favor-of-superman Batman of the 1950's-1970's meanwhile Tim Burton was going with what Bob Kane started when he first created Batman with Bill Finger: A mysterious and adventruous figure fighting for rightousness and apprehending the wrong doer, in his lone battle against the evil forces of society...his identity remains unkown. This dismisses him fighting in public, having a computer doing everything for him, falling in love with Poison Ivy, having a Robin, or being equiped with a team of sex diseased bat bimbos. The only movies that stayed true the original comics are Batman 1989, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. THAT'S IT.

thanks for proving with your points how tim burtons batman movies suck and are not at all true to the comics.Batman is not the cowardly killer that Burton made him into.He would never take a life unless he absolutely had and there was no way out.Killing those goons of the jokers sending in the batmobile by remote and dropping the bomb in front of them was so cowardly of him,and then putting that bomb in that guys pants,again cowardly,thats what james bond would do,NOT batman.thats murder.actually besides batman begins,batman forever is the most true of the four before it.the first two films butchered to death his character with him killing people in cowardly ways. 🙄 Batman 89 sucked and batman returns sucked twice as worse.batman forever was far better than those two.

oh is that what batman told you? that he was losing on purpose? yeah whatever.he never ever had control of that fight.If he wanted to beat up that guy he could have easily hit him in the nuts and knocked him out cold.sorry but as usual,you lose the argument just like all the burton keaton batman apologists do. 😄 If anybody played a wooden horny depressed bruce wayne,that would be keaton.Keaton just tried to copy chris reeves great performance from superman by being cool as batman and a goofy nerd as bruce wayne.Kilmers wayne was at least loyal to the comic bruce wayne by being suave and charming with the women the same way Bale was in Batman Begins.

No that would be you and Tim Burton who would be someone who would be a sad strange little man who does not understand how this movie butchered to death his character making him a coward.No the ONLY BATMAN movie that has stayed true to the original comics is Batman Begins.THATS IT!!!!!! 😛

Thats why they restarted the franchise series because many batman fans to this day are outraged over the horrible casting choice of keaton as batman and how they made him into a cowardly killer.I know that because I have friends that are in their 50's who read the comics and still have the issues and have told me over the years they hated the burton batman movies because they were not at all loyal to the comicbook which is so correct.

Why must this war continue to rage?

War?

Originally posted by lil pimp
Listen you peace of shit i was just ****ing around, dont go pissing in your batman underoos you damn geek, you want to call my cousin a retard well **** you and your peace of shit family ***** .if you think Keaton looked good well *** **** the chinless wonder your self . you wanna start something with this Latino, mother****a good , even though you aint nothing but a ***** with a big mouth.you want to call me retard just because i said something good about batman 4, geeks dont know how to take a joke it seems ,and you all mad cause of the nipples on the costumes when you still suck on your dirty mommas nipples, ***** please you must be doing that since all you do is cry cry cry cry on this forum. Also why is your name sevenman do you want **** seven men well i bet you are going to start with Michel Keaton since you think he looked so fine. so if you finally done bitchen **** off you silly little HO!!!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Hey pimp,you keep talking like that and using that kind of language,you will get banned here.relax dude.dont let a few internet dudes who dont know a crappy batman movie when its right in front of their eyes get to you, it not worth it.hit the ignore button,thats what I have done with some of them.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
how do you know that? Burton made the penguin into a sewer dwelling moron like schumacher did with two face. 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No BATMAN RETURNS SUCKS BIG TIME

Kilmer was only wooden when he had corny lines to read as batman which was most the time,the times he had good lines such as IF BRUCE WAYNE COULD HAVE SAVED YOUR PARENTS BY GIVING HIS LIFE FOR THEM,HE WOULD HAVE.he was great at,most the times his serious lines were as bruce wayne and thats when he exclled the most.your shwoing why kilmer was better with those points,kilmer brought more crediblity to the role because he at least fit the part,if an actor doesnt even come close to resembling the role which keaton did not,then he brings no credibility to the role.its like burt reynolds being cast for boss higg,he brings no credibilty to the role because he does nt fit the part,same thing with keaon,how hard can that be to comprehend? : No keaton and clooney were far worse than Kilmer.the REAL dynamin duel is bale and Nolan.KEATON AND BURTON suck royally. 😛 keaton brought no crediblity to the role because he did not come even close to fitting the role and acted like a goofy idiot not remembering where he was in the mansion,thats not batman.Kilmer portrayed Wayne much better than keaton did.the dark roots of batman that burton did was make him into a cowardly killer,that butchered to death his character. 🙄 yes batman killed and he should have been wanted for murder at the end,it was much more like a james bond flick than a batman movie. michael keaton and tim burton were a freaking horrible combination for batman.thank god for shumacher and kilmer,at least schumacher did not cast someone only because he was friends with him. which is what burton did,he did not care about pissing off the true batman fans out there who hated the horrible casting of keaton. DEAL WITH IT.

and also,the TRUE batman from the comics would easily have beat that goon of the jokers blindfolded. 🙄

When Val Kilmer said "If Bruce Wayne could have saved your parents by giving his life for them, he would have" that was not because he was a good actor. It was because of good writers. Micheal Keaton could have done it better along with any other line in the film if Tim Burton directed it with no Robin. Over an two hours of script was cut out in the final script of Batman Forever to make it more "Family-Friendly" or in other words "Cash Cow" instead of the dark, interesting, and realisitc stories of Batman and Batman Returns. Robin was a gimmick to give credibility to Bruce Wayne when he was already credible. He was not supposed to have a character at all besides millionaire play boy. If his character was intense and advertised everywhere then everyone in Gotham City would know Bruce Wayne is Batman. It is not realistic and Batman does not need Robin to be a great character. He is stronger than that and Tim Burton realized this. He casted Micheal Keaton because he wanted Bruce Wayne to look like an every day man and even though the world was against it he proved that he was worthy of the title of the Dark Knight with the powerful performances he displayed in the first two films. The new Dukes of Hazzard sucks, I agree. The Dukes of Hazzard was funny when it came to sex but I feel all they had was sex as an advertisment...that's it. Burt Reynolds didn't prove me wrong because he did not play a convincing Boss Hogg. Micheal Keaton portrayed an awesome Bruce Wayne and Batman. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........Val Kilmer and George Clooney was FAR worse than micheal Keaton. I agree with you that Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan have made Batman Begins a great Batman movie but Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton are still the FOR REAL Dynamic Duo. He only forgot which direction he was going in for a second in the first movie and it charmed Vickie Vale. It's called a "Joke". Get over it. It was not "Batman" it was "Bruce Wayne". BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG difference. Micheal Keaton portrayed both Bruce Wayne and Batman better than Val Kilmer and George Clooney combined. Batman was a killer in the first two films because Batman was at odds with the police in the first two Batman movies except with Commissioner Gordon. You have a retarded nerve for saying that Batman and Batman Returns were like James Bond flciks because both love intrests had reason and passion behind them while Dr. Chase Maridian became the first bat bimbo. She treated Batman as if he were a rebelious rock star that she could use for sex like a horny school girl and Batman went to her and RISKED HER GETTING HURT BY THOSE WHO WISH TO KILL THE BAT WHICH HAPPENED AT THE END. Now THAT ruins credibility! Bruce Wayne is a millionaire play boy to distract people from suspecting that he is secretly The Batman. He does use his alternate persona to get chicks and does date every woman he meets as both Bruce Wayne AND Batman. Joel Schumacher butchered Batman way more than Tim Burton did. Tim Burton is a blessing. Joel Schumacher is garbage. Joel Schumacher/Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher/George Clooney are ****ing horrible cominations for Batman. Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton was an excellent combination for Batman. **** it. Micheal Keaton IS Batman. Saying "Thank god for Schumacher" about anything ruins your credibilty to argue and as a human being. You also can't say that Joel Schumacher is so great for not casting someone who is not his friend because Tim Burton handed down his would-have-been-trilogy to Joel Schumacher only because he was his friend so if you always wanted it to be that way Batman Forever would have been directed by Tim Burton and the Joel Schumacher Batman films would have either come ten years later in a NEW and "Different" trilogy where you can **** up Batman all you want with Robin, neon lights, and nipples or would have not have even existed. Tim Burton did not cast Micheal Keaton just because he was good friend with him but also because Micheal Keaton could tackle any role you through at him from comedy to a serious film which he proved in Batman and Batman Returns. He is like Jim Carey even though he sucked as The Riddler. Tim Burton is PIMP like that, yo. He told the true Batman fans to DEAL with it and they loved it. It's been done delt with, yo. Micheal Keaton was casted well and even though all Batman fans feared they would be in store for a campy Adam West style Batman they got the first dark portrayal of Batman on a mainstream scale since 1939. Be specific about what "Goon" you are talking about. Batman did beat the final ****** in the first Batman film blind folded. He tricked him into thinking he was winning so he could dust him off like an old coffee table. You are not mature enough to get that. Well, you know what? YOU SUCK ROYALLY!

You mean...BATMAN FOREVER SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

Fixed your typo.

Originally posted by lil pimp
I understand what you saying, i was going to ignore him until he called my little cousin a retard so if he going to talk about my family im going to talk about his.if i get banned thats just to damn bad!!!

Originally posted by lil pimp
yo sevenman i noticed every time i mentioned batman 3 or 4 you always say something about the nipples and the butt shots is that all you looked at in the damn movie were the nipples thats probably why you didnt like it because you weren't even looking at the movie. All you were thinking about were the nipples and butts, man you one perverted fruit!!! 😆

Originally posted by Mr Parker
except bruce wayne is NOT an old an old bald man,your crippling your arguments dude.devito was not at all convincing in that movie,thats hte most laughable statement of all you have made. 😆 again your crippling your arguments because everyboyd did NOT accept it,what burton did with the penguin or to the joker. 😆 Tim Burton made the penguin into a laughable idiot which is not true to his character.At least the riddler was funny,the penguin was not.with a character namedlike the penguin of course you would feel sorry for him to die.I wanted to see batman die in the first two batman movies because he was a cowardly killer who killed people in cowardly ways and should have been wanted for mureder at the end,thats horrible screenwriting,thats why batman begins was believeable unlike the burton batman films because it was realisitic when the commissioner said they will be no vigilantes taking the law into their own hands in his town.so the law was after batman in the film,thats good screenwriting,Burtons batman movies have horrible screenwriters. okay let me put it this way,a batman sequel without robin is like starskey and hutch without hutch or the dukes of hazzard with luke duke but not his cousin bo duke,same thing. the first two films are only loyal in the fact that they are dark,thats the only good point you have made so far.But they were too dark in the fact that they turned batman into a cowardly killer which crossed the line.Batman Begins at least did not make him into a cowardly killer which made batman a likeable guy for a change.

there was no realisem in the first two batman films.a movie about some guy who murders people and is treated like a hero at the end instead of being wanted for murder like he should have been is hardly realisem.the first two batman films were boring as hell all they did was stand around and talk most the damn time,thats nuts for batman film.please,the penguin was laughable as a villian,he wasnt real.If anything,two faces character was MORE real than the penguion.and a lady falling off a building and then coming to life because some cats bite her is realisem? ha ha,you crap me up with your laughable posts. 😆 thats all you got in the first two batman films was two nonsense story films.

The first tow batman films had no humor whatsoever,you CAN make a good dark serious batman movie and use humor in it the same time as batman begins proved.batman forever had some great humor in it and was dramatic at the same time,and had far better special effects than either of those crapfest burton batman films.at least jim carrey was funny as the riddler,devito was boring as hell and gave a horrible acting performance.

There was realism in the first two Batman films because Batman was not some guy he was Batman and he was not treated like a hero they even say in the Batman films if Batman should be a friend or a foe. He is at odds with the police and society except for Commissioner Gordon but still fights for Gotham City even though they are fighting him along with the crimainals of Gotham City because he believes that Gotham City is not beyond saving. This is gone deeper into with Batman Begins if you want to really understand. They were thankful that Batman saved them at the end of the first film because they could have died. If we did not fight the war that America is in recently and kill the people who wish to do us harm we would have died and we are thankful for our troops and they are killers. It is realism because it happened in real life after those first two films. They were not boring as hell they were very interesting because it was not all action they were very deep films where conversations, circumstances, and mysteries would lead up to final battles instead of being meaningless violence. It is not nuts for a Batman film. It is a Batman film. You can laugh at The Penguin and that is what makes him great. You are not supposed to like him because he is misunderstood and if you watched movies from the third person instead of the first perons like a normal human being you would enjoy his character. Two Face was a fakeout The Joker who would easily be foiled by the police with his rediculous schemes defeating the purpose of needing Batman for him. You are right. Joel Schumacher's Two Face, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze were not just wannabe The Jokers. YOU ARE! You make fun of the movies by explaining them comedically instead of portaying them in the sad-but-true light that Tim Burton did except you are not like Tim Burton because you do a horrible job doing it. Just have one The Joker. Tim Burton's The Joker, The Penguin, and Catwoman were better than Joel Schumacher's Two Face, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, and Mr.Freeze combined. Simple as that. The origin of Catwoman was all circumstance. What if she was not really brought to life by cats but they just wanted to eat her? What if she did not all those times but just happened to surrvive? It is possible and the times she died were surrvivable. Selina Kyle was just in a state of mind that she was Catwoman but was not actually meta-huaman just like The Penguin and The Joker. If you are a keen audience member you would realize that instead of believing the nonsense you make the Tim Burton films look like in your dim light. Batman and Batman Returns did not suck. YOU SUCK!

Originally posted by bakerboy
If Burton would direct batman forever it would be as bad as it is directed by Schumacher. The batman franchise was dead since the first movie, casting the short, unmuscular, almost bald, unnatractive and bad figher michael keaton for the role of batman and bruce wayne. I cant believe in a movie with a 5'7 or 5'8 guy with a wig trying to be a play boy. Plus, his strange behaving as bruce, forgeting the places in his own houses or being a bubling idiot with women was totally stupid. Same with batman returns. Plus, not origin, not enought development in batman character, the villains being the main characters, a stupid and retarded freak penguin, the total waste of gordon, etc. Batman forever and batman and robin were pretty bad too, but at least, kilmer looked more as bruce wayne than keaton and clooney. But at least, Nolan did a great job casting Christan Bale, who not only looks the part, he plays the part very well and is a great actor. Batman begins is a great movie, the other four movies were crap.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Very well spoken Bakerboy.I could not have said it better myself. 👆

Originally posted by sevenman
BATMAN RETURNS ROCKS!

Yeah, man.

Micheal Keaton would have done it if Tim Burton did it so they would not have casted another actor. Val Kilmer gave a wooden portrayal as Bruce Wayne unlike Micheal Keaton who was a very unlikely casting choice but ended up being the best Batman of all. If you have a beef with it my only conclusion is that you existed some time before the movie came out and was a big fan of the comics and was pissed off that Micheal Keaton was casted that Batman and either did not see or did not like, somehow, the dark teaser they released to covince fans of the dark kight that Batman was going to be portrayed well way back in 1988. Micheal Keaton was a good Batman. Get over it. Now Val Kilmer, in the movie you liked was a wooden sex clown in black leather that Joel Schumacher hired because he was "Younger" and looked "Sexy". I hear girls saying all the time "I LOVE BAMTAN FOREVER" and I'm like "Why" and they like "I DONT KNOW BUT I DID". I am not into bat nipples I am into a good or at least a consistant trilogy. George Clooney sucked the most out of every Batman in the world but it is not his fault.

Agreed, Bardock42. Val Kilmer and George Clooney were far worse choices. Just stick with Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. The REAL dynamic duo.

I concur.

Then watch the Batman of the 1970's and leave it out of a trilogy-that-never-was. That is what fans feared the most but Tim Burton was their savior. Well the REAL savior was Frank Miller. But still.

You can not change the actor in the trilogy or it is sloppy and the movies do not feel like they are linked together. Micheal Keaton is able to fit any role from comedy to the darkest of knights and he proved that in Batman and Batman Returns. Joel Schumacher was sent by Satan to **** everything up and he succeeded. Robin is the start of a long line of ad ons that do not really matter. The original purpose of the first Batman film was to go back to the dark roots of Batman and that is how it should have ended if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever. With no Robin just like you said. The way it should have been. If Robin is going to be with Batman he has to be there from the start and be a consistant character from there on out to the final shot in the trilogy. If he is not in the first one do not bother putting him in the second one and you should DEFINITELY not put him in the third since it is far too late by then. How do you know he would make Batman a wuss? You do not have a time machine to go back to the past and alter the events of the space time continuum to see if Tim Burton would have done a better job directing Batman Forever. Batman KILLED in the first Batman movies and he was ****ing awesome. Tim Burton would have went all out with Batman Forever if the Joel Schumacher plague did not come and wreck everything. Batman fought right out in the open dramatically in Batman Forever and people were CHEERING for him when he is supposed to be at odds with society and the police except for commissioner Gordon in some flashy fakeout hollywood neon fight as opposed to the far superior and mythological fights he would use in secret and to save a city of peoples that have fallen into total chaos in times of emergency. Micheal Keaton is not short, half bald, or out of shape. George Clooney sucks but my mommy likes him (**** you). I do not know who the **** Abbot and Costello is but The Lone Ranger had his own movie without Tonto and he did damned good, too. Batman would have too if there was no Robin, no bat bimbo, no, Joel Schumacher. Just Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton. ****ing awesome.

First of all, sevendude. Relax, boy, you are being pretty inmature and childish for insulting the people only for critizing the batman movies. Have you some mental problems or something? We arent talking about your family or friends, only about movies. If you are soo poor that you need to post insults in stead of arguments, the discussion is dead . Being something clever and post reasonable arguments not crappy and childish insults.

The best batman was bale, not keaton. I agree that kilmer and clooney sucked in their performances as well,but at least, kilmer looked the part and portrayed the bruce wayne character as he is in the comics. Keaton didnt any of those things.
Agree with shumacher gay tone, it was terrible.

Keaton was a terrible batman and a terrible bruce wayne.

The real dynamic duo is Nolan-Bale. They did the first good batman movie and very loyal to the comics, with a great script, great lines and great performances. The burton-keaton duo was terrible because they did batman and his world in his own way, his own and weird way, not as he is.

Keaton is a good actor, but he was terrible in batman. The part isnt for him, he was a terrible casting choice.

Yeah, the dark tone was great, and the music. and michelle pfeiffer was catwoman. But everyting else in burton movies were crap.

Batman killing is awsonme? You have a very weird concept of the character. Batman is a detective and a heroe, not a killer. He hates the muder , because his parents were murdered. You should read the comics again to understand the character. Well, you and tim burton.

Michael keaton is short, out of sharpe and half bald. Look at him in mr mom or bettlejuice or johnny dangeroulsy.

Keaton and burton were pretty bad in the batman movies.

Originally posted by sevenman
I never wanted there to be a Batman & Robin, *******. Micheal Keaton was old and experienced with alot of training just like the real Batman unlike that ****head Val Kilmer. Danny Devito was a great actor as the Penguin and very new and convincing in the movie. Nerds get mad when people **** with the Penguins character and hate the Penguins character because it ****ing sucks. Tim Burton did something different like he did with the Joker and everyone accepted it. So you're saying...you would rather have a movie with a braindead actor as opposed to be willing to sacrifice a scene for the integrity of the overall movie? Good thing Tim Burton directed the first two films and not you.

Either way you are a *****. You are bitching about either way. Tim Burton was able to focus on the tradegdy of The Penguin and he would be able to do the same for Two Face and/or Scarecrow. The Riddler seems to belong in the 1966 Batman TV show the more I think about it.

Yo, I liked Burt Ward. He enjoyed the role just as much as Adam West. They are going to be called homosexual either way. It is the nature of man to acuse two men who spend alot of time together a gay butt ****er. That's life. I will never hear in my life "This is good and new in something old". So I am not surprised some dorks were arguing over The Penguin's new origin. It is like the Joker and Catwoman but it is still cool. None of Tim Burton's characters were over the top. They were subtle when they needed to be and dramatic at the climax. I felt so sorry for The Penguin when I saw him die for the first time when I was two, I still can recall.

THEY WAS THERE LONGER THAN THE BATMANS WAS!

Batman Forever is FAR off from the original comics and the first two are FAR closer to the original comics because they were dark. You say "He did not want to make them look like the rest". That is because movies were ripping off of the original Batman's Gotham City. It was the original not the rest. Psycho frezies do not exist in neon colors because Gotham City has something called a Police Force but there are some things they cannot handle and alot are corrupt and it is very complex but Joel Schumacher completely tossed this aside for two hours of stories nonsense as opposed to realism in a realistic enviornment like the Gotham City from the first two Batman films. Dark and serious was what the original trilogy was supposed to be. All the damn time. There is intellegent humor but if you spell "Psycho" as "Sico" you would not be able to spot it. They could have done a funny Batman series of movies but that has been done before and the fans did not want it. The Visa part killed, no, shattered the darkness that was once Batman. Even George Clooney regrets having done the part and says he was told he was doing an ice show as opposed to a dark, complex, and realistic movie. Jim Carey's The Ridler was an Ace Ventura wannabe and Frank Gorshin, rest in peace, was the best The Riddler there was or ever will be. You basically describe Two Face as some drunk guy. *****. EWW. Two Face is better than that. Micheal Keaton looks DAMN good! If you like Val Kilmer and his butt shots so much why don't you go **** him. I don't know who...you are...but **** you too.

The real batman is old??? Man, read the comics again. Bale and kilmer were in the right age when they did the batman movies, keaton not.

Devito is a great actor , but he was terrible in batman returns. Maybe is the scripters fault, but he was awful. Burton did a very weird thing with the penguin and not, you are posting lies, NOT ANYBODY LIKED AND ACEPT IT. Even the dc comics people and the warner bross people disliked that freak version of the penguin.

Yeah, the riddler was terrible. Very gay. But the penguin wasnt less terrible. A freak idiot without any intelligence. The penguin is supposed to be very clever. The origin of the character was a joke, rised by penguins in a sewer. The penguin sucked. If they would go with the comics character with some variations, like a gangter , it would be a lot more interesting, not that elephant man bad copycat. " Im not a man, im a animal". Pretty stupid.

The penguin and catwoman origins were pretty stupid and unrealistic. Devito performance, as nicholson, was histroinic and over the top. See his speech to the penguins, one of the worst speechs ever. And penguins with missiles at his back. Very mature and realistic.

Batman forever and batman and robin were as different and unloyal as batman and batman returns. As you saying that batman and returns are loyal to the comics?? Man, read the comics.

Yeah, batman forever and batman and robin sucked. But batman and returns too. And keaton looked pretty bad, a 5'8 guy trying to be batman. It was ridiculous.

Originally posted by sevenman
Seriously. What in **** this wangsta talkin?

Wow. Your little cousin must be ****ing retarded. The exact opposite happened with my nine year old brother Joey. He fell asleep in front of Batman & Robin when I was watching it on DVD to rant on the internet about how it sucked so bad and his eyes widened the whole way through Batman Begins on bootleg after we saw it in theaters.

LMAO HES RETARDED YO ROFL

You the only one who is whining, little wigger. We are reviewing movies and your mind might not be able to comprehend this but the opprotunity for a feature Batman film comes once in a blue moon and we need to pay close attention to them and handle them with upmost care for we are true Batman fans.

Look who's talking.

Did you even watch Batman? He ahinaliated all of The Jokers best men when they had a car chase with the Batmobile. In Batman returns he punched a guy in the face and then straped a bomb to his chest in five senconds and plunged him down a hole. Did you even...watch the first two movies? The first two Batman movies are the truest to the comic book besides Batman Begins. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin SUCK.

Batman Forever SUCKED. Batman was ****ING AWESOME and Batman Returns was twice as good.

That is because Tim Burton wanted Bruce Wayne to look like a common man when Micheal Keaton as Batman would whup yo ass.

Who the **** you talkin bout? The ****** at the end? He was hard because he was the thoughest of all of The Joker's men and he was also trying to make it like he was losing the fight on purpose so he could use his ninja powers of deception to make it seem like he won so when his guard was down the most he could throw him down the stairs of a hundred story building. Batman had control of the fight the whole time. I win the arguement.

Micheal Keaton was a great Bruce Wayne. How the **** is he aint a good Bruce Wayne? Val Kilmer is a ****ed up Bruce Wayne and Batman. He plays a wooden Bruce Wayne and a horny depressed man dressed up like a bat.

I love that part.

Actually the Batman was very dark in the original 1939 through the 1940's comics. In the FIRST comic that Batman premired in May of 1939, Detective Comics #28, Batman watched a thug fall into a vat of acid and all he had to say as he looked upon the sight was in a dark growl "A fitting end for his kind..." You, like Joel Schumacher are just sad, strange, confused little men who do not understand this and are more accustomed to the campy, in-favor-of-superman Batman of the 1950's-1970's meanwhile Tim Burton was going with what Bob Kane started when he first created Batman with Bill Finger: A mysterious and adventruous figure fighting for rightousness and apprehending the wrong doer, in his lone battle against the evil forces of society...his identity remains unkown. This dismisses him fighting in public, having a computer doing everything for him, falling in love with Poison Ivy, having a Robin, or being equiped with a team of sex diseased bat bimbos. The only movies that stayed true the original comics are Batman 1989, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins. THAT'S IT.

Stop the insults, dude. You are behaving like a 7 years old boy posting insults.

Hahahaha, that is pretty good. You are a true batman fan? You are acepting those unfaithful and unloyal batman films by tim burton and you are a true batman fan??. A true batman fan is the one who hates the four previous movies an understand that batman begins is the only one good and loyal movie. And the thing that we understand is that the burton movies were pretty bad movies, and unloyal to the characters, as the schumacher movies were.

Hahahaha, batman killing is true to the character. Man, what are you talking about??? Could you post more lies that the ones that you are posting??? Because your arguments are pretty false and laughables.

Batman forever sucked. Batman and robin sucked. Batman sucked. Batman returns sucked. Batman begins rules.

If burton wanted to do that, make another movie about another character. Not batman. Is like a director wants to do a movie about a 60 years old spider man. That isnt spider man or peter parker. Go and make another movie about another character.

Batman had control of the fight all the time?? That guy kicked his ass and he only could beat him tricking him. What movie did you see?

And dont post that stupid excuse about " the guy was the strongest of the jokers goons". That guy was only strong, batman is a master of all the fight styles and martial arts. He could beat that guy in 10 seconds or less.

Keaton was a terrible bruce wayne. He didnt look the part and his acting was goofy and stupid. Bruce wayne is a cool play boy, like kilmer or bale played him. Again, you need to read the comics.

Dont mix the things, batman begins is THE ONLY TRUE MOVIE to the batman character. The another four movies sucked in one way of another.

Originally posted by sevenman
Old fart, what does he know....

Batman and Bruce Wayne are two different people, buddy.

Wrong. In 1989 he forgot the cave entry but only because he was charming as a millionaire play boy even when he was not trying to be and so into a conversation with Vicki Vale that he walked in the wrong direction for a second. It is called "Humor" and it is another factor that made the 1989 Batman great. He never forgot it in Batman Returns! He still ****ed the girls in the end and that is the root definition of "Play boy", not acting like Johnny Bravo and not getting a feel of them love handles.

Mr Parker said an oxymoron. You are saying that he is a martail arts expert so he should be injured from the fall. So you are implying that he is not a martial arts expert because he was not injured by the fall. So that means he wasn't You are saying that it is Batman walking away from a jet crash is an excuse for being strong. Then you are saying he is weak for not breaking his legs in the plane. The Batman in the comics, The Batman from the 1989 movie, and The Batman from the 1989 comics are all the same Batman. They have all honored the title of Batman many times over. The screen writers did a briallnt job with Batman 1989 and Batman Returns. If you directed the 1989 Batman movie Batman would be stuck in a broken jet with broken legs. Way to go, Spielberg.

Again, you are so full about batman returns and you even dont remember the movie. See the scene with bruce and selina in wayne manor, see when he go to the batcave and didnt remember it. See the scene in the elevator, he was a wuss, a total and insecure idiot. That isnt bruce wayne.

The scripters did a terrible job in batman and batman returns. Not origin, not enought character development, too much focus on the villains, bad lines, etc.

Yeah,batman and bruce wayne are different, but keaton didnt play any of them as they are in the comics.

Originally posted by sevenman
Batman is not the series to go for if you want your bat nipples, neon lights, bat bimbos, ambiguously gay sidekicks, bat bimbos, neon lights, shit for brains directors, butt shots, credit cards that say "BATMAN FOREVER" on it, bad actors, wasted ****ing awesome characters, played out character reincarnations, popular teen female characters added to make things less gay, suits you cannot fight in, and giant naked statues. But you want to know what a natural is for that sort of thing? SUPERMAN AND SPIDERMAN! **** THEM UP, LEAVE BATMAN ALONE BITCHES!

I guess what I'm trying to say is.

LEAVE BATMAN ALONE.

Yeah, the schumacher movies were pretty bad, as bad as the burton movies. But, bad actors??? Tommy lee jones is a bad actor??? Michael gough is??? Uma thurman is??? Pat hingle is???jim carrey is??? Their performances are bad, but they are very far to being bad actors.

Again, you are being a childish kid postin insults. Leave batman alone you, because defending the burton movies you are being everything but not a true batman fan.