Organised religion creates more problems than it solves?

Started by Shakyamunison5 pages
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Buddhism is interesting in that, at least to someone from the outside looking in i.e. me, it appears to be equal parts philosophy on life and religious teachings. Can one believe in the philosophy of Buddhism without believing in the religion or are they inseparable? If someone takes on only the philosophical perspective (assuming that is possible) of Buddhism are they still considered a Buddhist?

Yes, we even have Christians who come to our meetings and chant with us. My religion is a personal religion, we do not have a preacher who gets up and tells us what to do. We do have study meetings, but they are more like discussion groups, were you read some part of what ever is decided before, and talk about it at the meeting. We have elders and an organizational structure, but that is there if we have questions or if we need help. For example, when my mother died I went to my elder to receive consoling, we then had a ceremony for the dead. However, most of my practice is done at home; in the morning and evening we do a ceremony called Gongyo and we chant.

Some people will act differently and can be made to believe anything out of obedience if they are reassured by someone they consider an authority figure that they will not be held accountable.

that could be a descrption of Adolf Hitler..........or a pope.........not a whole lot of difference. Hitler had his little holocaust with the jews in Germany.................the pope had his little holocaust with the native americans in north and south America.

Yes, we even have Christians who come to our meetings and chant with us.

Another guru in the money
Another mantra in the mail
An easy way from rags to riches
God's little acre's up for sale
-10cc

Originally posted by finti
Another guru in the money
Another mantra in the mail
An easy way from rags to riches
God's little acre's up for sale
[B]-10cc
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😆 I don't get it... 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sort of like the Milgram Experiment, if you've heard of it? Some people will act differently and can be made to believe anything out of obedience if they are reassured by someone they consider an authority figure that they will not be held accountable.

People don't like to be held accountable...

Well also...if you tell people something over and over again they will start to believe it....and the more people that believe it, the harder it is to swim against the stream...

Many fish keep silent... the ones that don't keep getting spears thrown at them.

I don't get it...
its lyrics from a song and your word chant was the cue....the song carries words as guru and mantra which makes many to think of chant.......its just me playing around woth words......if I see a word that I can quote a song too I will

Originally posted by finti
its lyrics from a song and your word chant was the cue....the song carries words as guru and mantra which makes many to think of chant.......its just me playing around woth words......if I see a word that I can quote a song too I will

Thank you, music is very important in my life.

band

Lets all dance..........

Thank you, music is very important in my life.
important to me too, Im a music freak and cant go anywhere without my mp3 player

Originally posted by finti
important to me too, Im a music freak and cant go anywhere without my mp3 player

You should get an implant then....

maybe

Originally posted by debbiejo
You should get an implant then....

borg

Originally posted by finti
maybe

I think for you..it would work....no more fiddlin with mp3's.... 😄

She's right, you know...

hysterical

You got to much time on your hands.....You never know...they might come out with implantable mp3's

Re: Organised religion creates more problems than it solves?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
~ Throughout human history the institutionalized religions have contributed far more to creating problems in the world than they have contributed to solving them. ~

To what extent do you agree or disagree with this statement?
And why?

I have to agree, for two reasons.

1. religion is in high numbers
2. religion in high numbers means more power, and through more power, more things are forced.

But there is a loop, religion and other beliefs, just dont have the same impact if you are the ONLY one that belive in it. See what I mean?

So people seek fellowship all of the time, lets face it, its nice to relate to people.

So there is two sides to everything.

Yep, and the point of this thread was to get both sides, and the neutral standpoint too. The virtues of organised religion, if one so believes, or the foibles of organised religion, if one so believes, or anything in between.

Religion definitely provides a hub for the formation of social networks, creating communities out of strangers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
~ Throughout human history the institutionalized religions have contributed far more to creating problems in the world than they have contributed to solving them. ~

To what extent do you agree or disagree with this statement?
And why?

I think modern religions are created for power. I do agree they cause more problems then they solve.

For the modern refrence, take a look at the Palestine and Israel - how does that practice any tolerance or love, both religions preach, is beyond me.

Lets face it - if everyone was a humanist or similar and did not believe that they will die and go to heaven, I doubt a lot of people will rage wars in the name of religion. I also doubt that anyone would be a suicide bomber if their reationalisation was ''after i blow myself up, and these people up, NOTHINg will happen. I will die and that will be the end of it''

It does cause more problems than it solves.

Yea it causes more problem than it solves, its impossible to institutionalize spirituality, it is wrong, and stupid too. Spirituality doesn´t need a religion to exist, and one can have it without the need of a religion. The philosophy of a religion is not bad(sometimes), its just a way to understand the universe in a spiritual way, or a way to live, and that can be helpful to some people. Religions which associate themselves with acquiring power, completely missed the point, there is no relation between spirituality and power. When they do that they become politics.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yep, and the point of this thread was to get both sides, and the neutral standpoint too. The virtues of organised religion, if one so believes, or the foibles of organised religion, if one so believes, or anything in between.

Religion definitely provides a hub for the formation of social networks, creating communities out of strangers.

It does, so there is good and bad with everything.

WE made organized religion, so its only fair to assume it has its flaws.