Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spidey can dodge them all day, or just keep away by webbing to a high place, or hanging on a wall.He needs a good hit, thats another problem with these threads.
Wolvie always gets that lucky hit, while absorbing ALL damage.
ummmmm that's what he does 😕
he's extremely well known for the damage he can soak up.....it's not far off to say that a class 7 fighter would get a good hit is it? i mean really...
Originally posted by Creshosk
I think that one is like dodging bullets, gotta get there before he does but by predicting it.
just the fact that he nearly kept up with speed demon through his agility while sd was running in a straight line is impressive enough....but then be fast enough to hit the guy? common...
ahhhhhhhhhh so THIS must be that infamous super speed that spiderman possesses.....😕
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine also claws the bullets out of the air fairly frequently. as I said it's also a matter of predicttion. Which his training has probably afforded him, and time spent with the cia, weapon X program etc. probably got him the practice.
just the fact that he nearly kept up with speed demon through his agility while sd was running in a straight line is impressive enough....but then be fast enough to hit the guy? common...ahhhhhhhhhh so THIS must be that infamous super speed that spiderman possesses.....😕
Cuts wall down... right. Someone loves fantasy land. 😄
jk, but Spiderman can avoid Wolverine pretty much indefinitely, for both superior speed and mobility, thanks to the webs. Playing smart, Spiderman doesn't even need to go h2h with Wolverine. (I give Wolv 7/10 in all melee, actually)
Wolverine's strong, but Spiderman is still exponentially stronger. Wolverine is also not strong enough to break out of the webs without his claws, so webbing him in a position where Wolverine can't reach the webs with his claws is a pretty much assured victory, and not at all impossible.
My 7/10 for Spidey works like this: Half of the fights, Spiderman fights smart and does not directly engage Wolverine in melee off of the bat. Superior range and speed give him all 5 of those. On the other half, Spiderman comes out with 2 of the 5 fights that begin with a punch of kick.
the idea that spiderman is going to effectively web wolverine up andkeep him there when there's next to NO eveidence to support it is kinda ridiculous in my opinion....not to say spiderman CAN'T do it, just that it's so unlikely....
and why couldn't wolverine bring the house down on spidey....he did it to an entire damn while fighting the hulk...and he did it to an entire building while fighting a demon possessed spider girl.....
Originally posted by Dizzle
Cuts wall down... right. Someone loves fantasy land. 😄jk, but Spiderman can avoid Wolverine pretty much indefinitely, for both superior speed and mobility, thanks to the webs. Playing smart, Spiderman doesn't even need to go h2h with Wolverine. (I give Wolv 7/10 in all melee, actually)
Wolverine's strong, but Spiderman is still exponentially stronger. Wolverine is also not strong enough to break out of the webs without his claws, so webbing him in a position where Wolverine can't reach the webs with his claws is a pretty much assured victory, and not at all impossible.
My 7/10 for Spidey works like this: Half of the fights, Spiderman fights smart and does not directly engage Wolverine in melee off of the bat. Superior range and speed give him all 5 of those. On the other half, Spiderman comes out with 2 of the 5 fights that begin with a punch of kick.
Righ amundo! (But I give Wolverine an 8 out of 10 in melee)
With out his webs this is large mismatch in my opinion, even with his massive strength advantage Spidy can't even begin to dish out the damage Wolverine takes on a regular baises. Any damage Wolverine takes from Spidy will be gone almost the moment it is recieved and it's to bad for Pete that Logan is fast enough to play tag with him. Spider-man only shot of beating Logan with out webbing is a random plot device (luckily he gets them all the time!).
With his webbing Spider-man brings home the win. Two maybe three time out of ten Wolverine breaks through (not the webbing but through his deffence before getting webbed) and takes Spidy to claw city but more likely the fight will end with Wolverine encased in webbing.
i just don't see how....I mean like I said spidey can do it....but wolverine will more likely than not break free....nothing else has been able to effectively hold him when he doesn't want to be there....not even the 4 or 5 times he's been hit with webbing, that right there tells me that spiderman winning via webbing is a 50/50 shot...considering that he has to put wolvie in an uncomprimising position and catch logan sleeping, AND get him backed to a wall, I mean that just puts spiderman against the odds as far as the chances of webbing him up go....
Originally posted by jinzin
i just don't see how....I mean like I said spidey can do it....but wolverine will more likely than not break free....nothing else has been able to effectively hold him when he doesn't want to be there....not even the 4 or 5 times he's been hit with webbing, that right there tells me that spiderman winning via webbing is a 50/50 shot...considering that he has to put wolvie in an uncomprimising position and catch logan sleeping, AND get him backed to a wall, I mean that just puts spiderman against the odds as far as the chances of webbing him up go....
*shrug*
But... but... Spider-man's witty banter will distract Logan and such
Don't use your mind tricks on me!
It should be noted that I believe to the best of their abilities means Spider-man using his powers, well... to the best of his abilities. Since he usually restricts him self when in fights it could be said that Spider-man can't use his full potential on the forums because it is ingrain in his character as CIS (which isn't turned off for the fights). I think Spidy going full out should be able to web up Wolverine enough to incapacitate him... but we count that as CIS then it's different. Spidy as he is normally portrayed with his self induce restrictions loses the majority to Wolverine even with his webbing.
Originally posted by jinzin
again....I know you're as familiar with wolverine's character as I am ....we both know how little wolverine actually goes into a full berserker rage, and what happens to him and his enemies when he does...... you really think he couldn't close ground onn spidey in a given situation like that?
But a real full on berserker rage is hard to bring about and would require a pretty extreme plot senerio... Wolverine in a full berserker rage would eat Spider-man for breakfast.
And for those people that don't know a real, full on berserker rage apperantly allows Wolverine to beat Sabretooth, Lady Deathstroke, Ogun and Shigen all at once... in 4 seconds. Luckily, like I said it is a feat to bring about.
well I'm just saying everyone thinks that spiderman at his best is going to trounce wolverine...wolverine at his best is what you just described, using extremely advanced fighting tactics and all....so if we're going with an "at his or her best" argument, then that's the wolverine I choose to use for the purposes of that debate.
Originally posted by jinzin
well I'm just saying everyone thinks that spiderman at his best is going to trounce wolverine...wolverine at his best is what you just described, using extremely advanced fighting tactics and all....so if we're going with an "at his or her best" argument, then that's the wolverine I choose to use for the purposes of that debate.
I see what you are saying but Spider-man could use 100% of his abilities when ever he wanted to where as pure berserker Wolverine needs an outside involvement...
but then again Wolverine not going into a berserker rage at the drop of a hate is also a conscious reacting to keep his humanity in check... so who's to say if he wasn't worried about the consequences that he couldn't just slip in to a full on berserker rage if he wanted to
Damn it I don't know what to think anymore
i think on account of the mr. x story line they made it pretty clear that he can do it on his own...
if you didn't read it: he just started to think about mariko, about silver fox, about all his tradgedy he could remember.....then before the telepath he was fighting could figure out what logan was doing, it was too late,,,he was "already there".....so I think he can do it when he wants to and as you said his continual battle for his humanity is a concious effort...I'm sure getting hit by spiderman a couple times would help out too....but he can definitely do it by himself.
Originally posted by jinzin
i think on account of the mr. x story line they made it pretty clear that he can do it on his own...if you didn't read it: he just started to think about mariko, about silver fox, about all his tradgedy he could remember.....then before the telepath he was fighting could figure out what logan was doing, it was too late,,,he was "already there".....so I think he can do it when he wants to and as you said his continual battle for his humanity is a concious effort...I'm sure getting hit by spiderman a couple times would help out too....but he can definitely do it by himself.
Yeah I was just thinking about that...