The European Union- Britain in or out?

Originally posted by Deano
i say out, we should be fighting to keep our national identityand preserve our right to govern our own country, make our own laws, keep our own currency, elect our own leaders.

as churchill once said:

''But we have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe,but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed."

KEEP THE POUND!!

Originally posted by Britannia
I'm all for a healthy non legislative trade bloc, but not one that takes British power on a one-way street to Brussels.

You are aware that everything that becomes a law has to go through the Parlament of your country...yes every single law you now despise so much was agreed in your government..so much for your power....theres a big difference between not having any power and not using it....

Oh and I know China becomes more and more capitalisitc I just wanted to show the mind set of the US (as I suppose it to be...)

Good man.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You know you can just **** off of the EU....who cares...its not like you are forced or anything.....if oyu don't want to be part of then don't be, but don't spoil the dream cause of your rather unimportant countries affairs...

does my opinion anger you?

Good man to Deano. You don't need to get angry. We simply believe that our nation should remain soverign. I must tell you however, that we are NOT unimportant. We are the 4th mist significant country in the world. I'm not exactly sure where Germany is but I do know that it is known as 'The sick man' of Europe economically.

Besides, just because the law was passed through parliament, doesn't mean that the majority of Britons have to agree with it. It simply means that the majority of the MPs, who incidently are mostly from the Labour party, agree with it.

Originally posted by Deano
does my opinion anger you?

Originally posted by Britannia
Good man to Deano. You don't need to get angry. We simply believe that our nation should remain soverign. I must tell you however, that we are NOT unimportant. We are the 4th mist significant country in the world. I'm not exactly sure where Germany is but I do know that it is known as 'The sick man' of Europe economically.

That'S what I was saying..you can have all the sovereignity you want...you don't need to be part of the EU...no one forces you...leave it if you hate it so much....

Originally posted by Britannia
Good man to Deano. You don't need to get angry. We simply believe that our nation should remain soverign. I must tell you however, that we are NOT unimportant. We are the 4th mist significant country in the world. I'm not exactly sure where Germany is but I do know that it is known as 'The sick man' of Europe economically.

Yes I know that, I blame the socialists, we might have a change though.....although I have no real statistics on that...nor do i know where to find the....anyways, 4th great for you...but who cares It is relatively unimportant for the rest of the world......I believe you think you are way more iportant that you actually are....

How EU threatens your sovereignity?

Think how great it is that after hundreds of years of wars Europe tries to build something together.

And I wouldn't mind world being one huge, highly federal country. I am cosmopolitan.

Originally posted by Britannia
Besides, just because the law was passed through parliament, doesn't mean that the majority of Britons have to agree with it. It simply means that the majority of the MPs, who incidently are mostly from the Labour party, agree with it.

Yes, but they are the people you voted for...if don't like it (and it seems that the majority still does vote for them) you could vote for someone else..that's how democracy works...and as I said your politicians seem to prefer being part of the EU

We're having a referendum soon on the future of Britain's role in the EU, it is predicted that Britons will vote overwhelmingly for a refusal of the constitution. THAT, my friend, is democracy.

This website does not represent the entire country of Great Britain by the way.

"How EU threatens your sovereignity?

Think how great it is that after hundreds of years of wars Europe tries to build something together.

And I wouldn't mind world being one huge, highly federal country. I am cosmopolitan."

I am all for Europe working together, being individual and equally cooperative. There is a difference between that and statehood.

Originally posted by Britannia
We're having a referendum soon on the future of Britain's role in the EU, it is predicted that Britons will vote overwhelmingly for a refusal of the constitution. THAT, my friend, is democracy.

Yes, it is....but so is your parlament....ok its a very strange kind of Democracy...a not fair one but still....and I think you should have a referendum to leave the EU...would be better for Europe.....

Originally posted by Britannia
This website does not represent the entire country of Great Britain by the way.

I am aware of that....still....it is rather disturbing...

Originally posted by Britannia
"How EU threatens your sovereignity?

Think how great it is that after hundreds of years of wars Europe tries to build something together.

And I wouldn't mind world being one huge, highly federal country. I am cosmopolitan."

I am all for Europe working together, being individual and equally cooperative. There is a difference between that and statehood.

But what's the big difference...what would be the real difference for your country?

This is the point! I don't want their to be a change! I want Britain to remain soverign within the TRADING BLOC of Europe.

they can shove the euro up there arse
simple as thaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Britannia
This is the point! I don't want their to be a change! I want Britain to remain soverign within the TRADING BLOC of Europe.

Well in the long run it'll be one or the other.....you are either out and sovereign or in and well...not a country anymore

Originally posted by Deano
they can shove the euro up there arse
simple as thaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good for you...the EU should hzave kicked you right out the day yyou refused that but ...we are liberal....

How would you feel if Britain took over, through diplomatic means, Europe and imposed the British currency, a British governer, British stamps and British law into your country?
Well, that is how I, personally would feel if the EU progressed into statehood any further.
By the way, the EU does need Britain. By God, you need Britain!

Deano, you should express your views slightly more.... eloquently in order to sustain the good name of our country and our political stance. Comments like that do you no favours.

the problem with a united Europe is that nothing would ever get decided on

the French and German governments want it as a means to counter balance the power of America both militarily and economically...but thats totally unfeasible given that they both want a more socialist style Europe which will quite simply be unable to compete economically with the capitalist US...and if its unable to compete Economically then it wont be able to fund itself militarily to compete (not to mention that military spending isn't a high priority of a socialist regime)

and to further the problem...Britain is much more like the US in those affairs...a very capitalist driven nation and is pretty incompatible with the Europe that Germany and France would like

to me it seems that the only countries who are likely to benefit from the newly expanded European Union are the poorer countries such as the baltic states who are now recieving an ever increasing share of the EU subsidies and aid...

there is nothing wrong with the old trade agreement that the common market brought except that it was corrupted to negate external markets from getting any chance of trading on a level playing field with the heavily self subsidised European countries

so my verdict is to revise a trade agreement that benefits Europe and allows trade with other markets as well...such as African countries...

Originally posted by Britannia
Deano, you should express your views slightly more.... eloquently in order to sustain the good name of our country and our political stance. Comments like that do you no favours.

thats my way, one person is not gonna give our country a bad name

Try to affect having a plum in your mouth Deano 😛