Karate Kid vs any comic book Martial artist

Started by Parallex3 pages

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Proceed to Karate Kid of the Reboot LSH, which ran from Zero Hour to yet another timeline change last year. This Val looked a little different from the last version, and tended to be more calm and collected. But his skills were just as impressive--I'd say he retained more of his Pre-Crisis mojo than most DC heavyweights. He got more cool sensory feats too--finding weak spots, reading body language, etc.

One thing to note concerning Val's fights with Daxamites: Reboot Daxamites were more powerful than Post-Crisis Superman for most of his career (and possibly the current version as well). They were stronger, flew between star systems at high FTL, had reaction times which let them perceive and avoid incoming lightbeams, and so forth. 12 of them sterilized the planet Trom in seconds with heat vision, in spite of the attempts of its people (who all had Element Lad's powers) to construct shields and insulating walls.

Anyway!

“Legion of Super-Heroes v4”/”Legionnaires” era:

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Val, trapped in a cell for superpowered convicts, detects a weak spot in the force field and collapses it. This is early on in his career, before he joined the Legion.

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Val staggers a very surprised Daxamite with a kick to the face. (Mr. X thinks he actually broke his jaw, based on the art, but I think it's probably just bruised...the guy talks just fine afterwards and doesn't seem to be in serious pain.)

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A couple years after the above scene, Val defeats a possessed M'onel. (Yes,same guy as Preboot Mon-El, a Daxamite). This is another long fight--LSH v4 #111 if you want to see more than three pages. Val's feats here include:
•Instantly deducing M'onel's possession and psychoanalyzing the entity possessing him, just by reading his body language from one panel (yeah, M'onel's eyes are glowing and he's snarling and stuff, but still);
•Dancing around M'onel's attacks, including a volley of heat-vision blasts (or a single continuous beam, not sure) at close range;
•Redirecting M'onel's charge and throwing him out of the solar system, so that he ends up in the gravity well of a nearby red star, causing the possessing entity to flee. And Val aimed him that way on purpose; they talked about the star earlier in the story. Crikey.

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Val vs. the Emerald Empress, within a larger Legion vs. Fatal Five battle. Even before she got the Eye, the reboot Empress was an incredibly skilled mass-murderer who "knew a thousand ways to kill a hundred species with her bare hands." Probably Lady Shiva-class or above. In the last page, Val hears her heartbeat from a kilometer away, tracks her by it, lets her stalk him, then casually takes her out in one shot.

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Val “senses micro-fractures” in a space station’s hull.

From the “Universe Ablaze” Titans/Legion crossover:

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In an homage to a Silver Age scene shown above, Reboot Val shows that he too is an expert in martial arts across the galaxy, including those with weapons. This time his sparring partner is M’onel, who’s actively fighting back and explicitly using his superspeed—but Val still wins the bout.

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Val detects the weakest spot on a huge Tamaranian carrier—containing hundreds of fighters, and hi-tech even by 30th-Century standards—and destroys it with one punch. Kills himself too, but hey, time travel was involved, so everything worked out okay in the end.

From the “The Legion” era:

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An admittedly “slow and out of condition” Karate Kid—he spent the last several months training as a pacifist monk—takes on Nadir, a guy with Kryptonian or near-Kryptonian strength and durability. (He defeated Ferro in one panel and two punches, and then casually fractured his body to bits by hand.) Val loses the first round, then comes back and finally defeats him by exploding his weapon’s powerpack. Feats include:
•Surviving getting smashed into the ground by Nadir three times, and twice recovering instantly or almost instantly;
•Dodging between rapid-fire energy blasts;
•Kicking Nadir hard enough to put him on his knees coughing up stuff;
•Punching his powerpack, thereby rigging it to explode when Nadir fired his weapon.

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Karate Kid dominates at least thirty inmates of Earth’s highest-security metacriminal prison; superpowers mentioned are flight, super-strength and TK. (In the first round he didn’t do too well before the Persuader broke up the fight, but—as he said—“I wasn’t mentally prepared, then.”) This was Reboot Val’s last big scene—The Legion #37—and it was a good’un.

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Finally, let’s talk about Karate Kid of the current “Threeboot” Legion. As a character I like him more than the earlier incarnations—he combines the calm and the spiritual awareness of Reboot Val with the original’s obvious love of combat. Plus he looks a lot more convincingly Asian or part-Asian.

Not many feats yet, but there’ve only been 7 issues so far:

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Your standard “Karate Kid smashes something” scene. “It is transmuted. I changed it from solid to...more rubbly solid.”

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Val spars with Ultra Boy. Val dodges his superspeed attacks, then takes a hit when Ultra Boy pretends to switch to strength but actually stays in speed mode. (In his defense, this is a medical examination/training exercise for Jo’s benefit, so it’s not like Val should be expecting him to try something sneaky.) Note that Val can speed up both his movements and his speech to keep up with Jo in superspeed mode...he slows both down when he believes Jo’s at normal speed again.

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Just after this, Val gets Jo’s attention by clearing 5 meters of snow and ice—70,000 or 80,000 tons, he says—off the Sydney Opera House with one punch. Probably the most impressive thing about this is that the Opera House itself is not noticeably damaged. “Control.”

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A nice one from issue 8: Val punches full-sized Micro Lad (who stands 60 feet high and weighs about 100 tons) through the outer wall of Legion Headquarters and hundreds of feet away.

Well, that’s all I’ve got so far.

From the CBR respect thread?

Only person who knows more Martial Arts is Champion.
He's had a billion years at training and he's class 100, he'd beat the hell out of KK.

Originally posted by long pig
From the CBR respect thread?

Only person who knows more Martial Arts is Champion.
He's had a billion years at training and he's class 100, he'd beat the hell out of KK.


Yes that's where I got tha info. I need to find more info on Champion. Where do I look ?

Originally posted by Parallex
Yes that's where I got tha info. I need to find more info on Champion. Where do I look ?

To me.
I know anything you want to know about Tryco. 😄

Ok, basically Champ is a multi billion year old being who has devoted every moment of his life training and fighting.

He's so far learned and mastered every single fighting skill across the universe, he increases his indestructable body's strength/speed/reaction time with power primordial, which derived from the big bang itself.
He can increase his strength to possibly limitless degrees and he doesn't tire or need air or food to survive.
It's almost impossible to actually hurt him other than despersing his molecules, he still wouldn't die as he is a true immortal banned from Death's realm via a bargian all Elders have with Death.

He's a tough bean.

Shang chi.

Nemesis Kid killed Karate Kid. KKKK alliteration🙂

Karate Kid in martial arts its the best you can get on comic books. Hes human and yet does high superhuman combat feats.

Next in line for pure martial arts prowess, would be Richard Dragon/Shiva/Shang Chi.

Bronze Tiger and Iron Fist sligthy below. I also accept Batgirl here.

Batman and Connor Hawke, get below those for me.

And im not counting Champion since he is cosmic. Im rating only humans here.

Originally posted by olympian
Karate Kid in martial arts its the best you can get on comic books. Hes human and yet does high superhuman combat feats.

Next in line for pure martial arts prowess, would be Richard Dragon/Shiva/Shang Chi.

Bronze Tiger and Iron Fist sligthy below. I also accept Batgirl here.

Batman and Connor Hawke, get below those for me.

And im not counting Champion since he is cosmic. Im rating only humans here.

Nemesis kid killed him

JP takes all of them

"Nemesis kid killed him"

I said best in martial arts skills. I didnt said invencible. Even the best lose.

He also hurt pre crisis Daxamites, and pinned Superboy as it was already mentioned.

Was Nemesis Kid better than those ones?

JP is back🙂 He has been in the JP cave training I suspect 🙂

Jp?

indeed i saw him he was fighting the beyonder race and the imps thats why he was gone

Originally posted by olympian
"Nemesis kid killed him"

I said best in martial arts skills. I didnt said invencible. Even the best lose.

He also hurt pre crisis Daxamites, and pinned Superboy as it was already mentioned.

Was Nemesis Kid better than those ones?

Nemesis kid is a kind of Karnak figure he senses weaknesses otherwise his human. Projectra in turn killed him it was just after the "Great Darkness Arc" when LOSH went prestige for a bit. A brilliant run 🙂

oh...

JP has been to Tibet I suspect training with Mr Al Ghul like Bruce Wayne🙂 Or perhaps even training him.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
JP has been to Tibet I suspect training with Mr Al Ghul like Bruce Wayne🙂 Or perhaps even training him.

JP was in a far worser place......he went to the DC universe....where he did battle with lucifer and the great evil beast...he managed to take over the DC multiverse but was stopped by ..........batman with 2 minutes of prep....

Originally posted by colossus17
JP was in a far worser place......he went to the DC universe....where he did battle with lucifer and the great evil beast...he managed to take over the DC multiverse but was stopped by ..........batman with 2 minutes of prep....

Is that why he is depowered 🙂