"I'll tell you what I know in short. Last time D'kai tried his little plan I was here chasing down the Demon Lord, Archimonde. I helped you out without your knowning, when I left this universe, I made Apothis. He is a version of myself, but much weaker. Now that D'kai is back, Apothis has come to full fill his role as guardian. That is who Apothis is."
"Now Havic is a different story. While chasing the Demon Lord I have died many times, and each time the Thunder Gods manipulate time so I am born again and start the quest over, but each time that happens it makes a Havic. Its like a loop. Havic is basically, an evil me."