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Let me elaborate on my previous statement (cuz that's what I love doing).

Deftones get old quickly for several reasons. First of all, there's only so much of Chino I can stand. His voice can really wear on the nerves. Also, the albums are so lack luster. It's like you want something out of these guys but they fail to deliver in a full CD. In every album, they have a couple good songs, but the overall albums are too dissatisfying. For example, the first album had 7 Words - which rocks. The rest of the album was just annoying though. It's basically the same story for the other albums.

Mostly, their style bugs me and I wish they would put some more well instrumentated aggressive stuff out.

And as for Korn, I just hate their guts. Mostly, I can't stand the "nu metal" style that they've got. Oh, and don't even get me started on the fanbase.

Their self-titled, in my opinion, contradicts everything you just said.

-AC

👆 AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Their self-titled, in my opinion, contradicts everything you just said.

-AC

In regards to your previous post? Hardly. It's a matter of what you listen to. I listen to metal (at least 75%) and prog (some in with that 75% but an extra 20%). What would you normally listen to? That's how I would decide that.

A metal head expects different things out of an album than someone else would. Deftones may have put out a "complete" album with their self-titled, but I found the album to be annoying and tedious. Call it as complete as you want, I found the album to be lacking a single good song.

Being the fact that it is your opinion, I'll leave that there. I expect music that doesn't annoy the shit out of me after ten minutes. You may like this same music. Not my issue.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
In regards to your previous post? Hardly. It's a matter of what you listen to. I listen to metal (at least 75%) and prog (some in with that 75% but an extra 20%). What would you normally listen to? That's how I would decide that.

Being that this topic is regarding what we hear, I can't hear it for you and make you agree with me. So that's why I said in my opinion, that it contradicts what you said. Because in my opinion, it does.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
A metal head expects different things out of an album than someone else would. Deftones may have put out a "complete" album with their self-titled, but I found the album to be annoying and tedious. Call it as complete as you want, I found the album to be lacking a single good song.

Well there you go then. I found it to be quite a solid album with many great highlights.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Being the fact that it is your opinion, I'll leave that there. I expect music that doesn't annoy the shit out of me after ten minutes. You may like this same music. Not my issue.

I expect the same thing, we obviously have different definitions of what is and what isn't annoying.

-AC

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Also, the albums are so lack luster.

Lack lustre? How so? Adrenaline is emotional and unpredictable right up until the very last second of the hidden track, same with Around The Fur. White Pony covered about 4 or 5 different genres on one disc, and the only part of self-titled I didn't like was the last song (sounds too much like Battle Axe and Bloody Cape and not as good as either).

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Mostly, their style bugs me and I wish they would put some more well instrumentated aggressive stuff out.

...White Pony was pretty damn well instrumentated. And according to Chino, the next album will be their most ''evil'' yet.

I like Korn, They are one of the rare bands that do it for th Music, even thought there albums are starting to become.... bad. Annnnd also concidernig that "Life Is Peachy" Was made Just too keep there fans after they started becomming popular....

Originally posted by Deathblow
...White Pony was pretty damn well instrumentated. And according to Chino, the next album will be their most ''evil'' yet.

I hope they don't change to suit the people criticising them. If they continue along the path of their self-titled, developing that sound, that'll be awesome.

I don't care, as long as whatever they do, they do it for them.

-AC

I wouldn't say anything about Deftones is lackluster or boring. I'd have to say their self-titled album is my favorite.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I hope they don't change to suit the people criticising them. If they continue along the path of their self-titled, developing that sound, that'll be awesome.

I don't care, as long as whatever they do, they do it for them.

-AC

Yeah that's what I've been thinking. If anything, it's the less agressive aspects of their sound that I prefer.

But saying that, if they could do something along the lines of the spooky, unpredictable vibe of Adrenaline set against the massive soundscape they created on self-titled, a more agressive style would definitely work; When Girls Telephone Boys is my favorite track on s/t.

Originally posted by Deathblow
Lack lustre? How so? Adrenaline is emotional and unpredictable right up until the very last second of the hidden track, same with Around The Fur. White Pony covered about 4 or 5 different genres on one disc, and the only part of self-titled I didn't like was the last song (sounds too much like Battle Axe and Bloody Cape and not as good as either).

Adrenaline? That's the first one with 7 Words on it correct? No problems with that album except they really needed to bring up the production quality. Around the Fur was emotional, sure, but nothing noteworthy. White Pony can cover as many genres as it wants. I still can't stand the album for more than ten minutes. Same goes for self titled. In fact, it's just how the Deftones are. Can't stand em for longer than ten minutes.

...White Pony was pretty damn well instrumentated. And according to Chino, the next album will be their most ''evil'' yet. [/B]

That I'll give you. At least for a numetal album. Overall though, I've been rather unimpressed with their discography.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
In fact, it's just how the Deftones are. Can't stand em for longer than ten minutes.

No, it's not ''how they are'', it's how you perceive them. And you're loss, I guess.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
That I'll give you. At least for a numetal album. Overall though, I've been rather unimpressed with their discography.

First off, ''at least for'' nothing. It was well instrumentated and that's that. Also, nu metal album? Deftones have made, oh, I'd say maybe one nu metal song in their entire history. Which is ''Back To School'', if you wanna get specific.

Originally posted by Deathblow
No, it's not ''how they are'', it's how you perceive them. And you're loss, I guess.

First off, ''at least for'' nothing. It was well instrumentated and that's that. Also, nu metal album? Deftones have made, oh, I'd say maybe one nu metal song in their entire history. Which is ''Back To School'', if you wanna get specific.

Yeah, it is how I perceive them. And I would hardly consider it a loss. There's far better stuff out there.

And trust me. They're nu metal. That's the closest genre to them.

Wikipedia link

They're mentioned as two genres. Rock and nu metal, and since rock is so broad, we'll stick with the nu metal. Seriously. They've used rap, spoken, and sung lyrics. They use a DJ. They have no solos. NU METAL.

True, I'd consider them Nu Metal to.

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
Korn- First two CD's are amazing. But once Follow the Leader came out, it has just been one big downward spiral to mediocre land.

Deftones- Amazing band. Four great albums, each with a distinctive sound different from the last.

Isn't having a different sound on each album what you are saying is wrong with Korn?

I don't understand why people think Korn started to suck. Their music is banging and original. I can't wait until the next album comes out. Take a Look in the Mirror was the best they've had in a while.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Yeah, it is how I perceive them. And I would hardly consider it a loss. There's far better stuff out there.

And trust me. They're nu metal. That's the closest genre to them.

Wikipedia link

They're mentioned as two genres. Rock and nu metal, and since rock is so broad, we'll stick with the nu metal. Seriously. They've used rap, spoken, and sung lyrics. They use a DJ. They have no solos. NU METAL.

None of those things prove anything, apart from the fact that they share a few elements with nu metal bands. Incubus, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Faith No More to name just a few, have used most or all of the above, and as for the solos thing, tons of bands who aren't metal don't have solos.

Instead of looking at the technicalites (which people seem so keen to do all the time), look at the execution and artistic direction the band take, it's massively different from nu metal. The only reason Deftones do, and always will be, pegged as a nu metal band is because they used to tour with Korn and Limp Bizkit, and are attributed along with the former to launching the whole nu metal thing. There's also the small matter that they don't actually sound like any other nu metal band, and seeing as it's possibly the most derivative genre in history, that's a dead giveaway.

Basically, they are connected, but not the same.

Originally posted by Deathblow
None of those things prove anything, apart from the fact that they share a few elements with nu metal bands. Incubus, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Faith No More to name just a few, have used most or all of the above, and as for the solos thing, tons of bands who aren't metal don't have solos.

Instead of looking at the technicalites (which people seem so keen to do all the time), look at the execution and artistic direction the band take, it's massively different from nu metal. The only reason Deftones do, and always will be, pegged as a nu metal band is because they used to tour with Korn and Limp Bizkit, and are attributed along with the former to launching the whole nu metal thing. There's also the small matter that they don't actually sound like any other nu metal band, and seeing as it's possibly the most derivative genre in history, that's a dead giveaway.

Basically, they are connected, but not the same.

Alright, I'll level with you for a second. What genre would you consider them to be?

I don't. Along with Tool, Opeth, Porcupine Tree and Dredg, Deftones are one of the bands I'm happy not to categorise. Why do I need to place any of these bands into anorexic little spaces of vague definition when they clearly transcend them?

Originally posted by Deathblow
I don't. Along with Tool, Opeth, Porcupine Tree and Dredg, Deftones are one of the bands I'm happy not to categorise. Why do I need to place any of these bands into anorexic little spaces of vague definition when they clearly transcend them?

That's what I assumed. Genres are in no way "anorexic little spaces of vague definition". They're broad forms of categorization. Nothing more. It's not an insult or a cage, it's just a tab to be noted under. It's not confining at all.

Tool is progressive rock with metal influences. Opeth is death/prog metal. Porcupine Tree is a prog band. Dredg is a prog band. Sure, they all have their own unique characteristics but they also posess several specific qualities that are shared by other artists. Same goes for Deftones. They carry several characteristics that associate them heavily as nu metal, and it's the closest genre to them.