Dr.Doom vs Juggernaut

Originally posted by yahman
Classic Juggernaut's Durability is unquestionable. But we have seen the Juggernauts strength limits !!!!!!! It took him years to escape from a mountain which he was buried under. If he had the strength of Thor or Hulk or any of the other people he is always compared to, he would have lifted the mountain or would have smashed his way out a lot quicker. I honestly believe that when Namor is submerged he has greater physical strength than Juggernaut.

He has many far more impressive feats. The reason that Juggernaut has won fights against power houses such as Thor and Hulk, is because of his immeasurable durability. Although his punches weren't as powerful as his opponents, they were enough to hurt them. (E>g. Like the Thing but even stronger) On the other hand everything that was been thrown at him wasn't hurtingl. No wonder he's had some impressive victories. 🙂

Characters grow and change during time, jugs has immeasurable strength, and some points limitless strength.

Not to mention Cain had no idea what his power was while he was under the rubble or how to use his power, hell, he may have not known he could lift so much.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, it's true Nimrod kicked Juggernauts butt. Juggernaut didn't move anymore, and then the X-Men showed up.

But then again, Nimrod is a True Powerhouse, and - sorry Doomlovers - much more dangerous than Doom.

Until recent times, the Juggernaut possessed a variety of superhuman physical abilities mystical in origin.

Then he "forgot how I did that."

And LONG PIG, read the comic book...Nimrod not only hurt and KO'd Jugs, he maintained dominance over him by using a neuro dislocator that left Jugs as limp as road kill.

this is pretty interesting. HOW would doom win? it would have to be magic because his own weaponry probably couldn't do it. but he doesn't use magic all that often. and an unprepared doom has been decimated 1on1 by namor and by tyros the terrible (terrax WITHOUT his axe) just off the top of my head. oh, and that guy from the first doom2099 series - the tiger dude. many 'round here think of doom as invincible, but i can't see him winning this without prep.

I dont keep my collection with me at college...someone has scans. Nimrod owned him the whole fight. KNocked him out of the bank with some kind of gravity blast or something. Jugs charged him and he just swatted of Jug's helmet. Then he hit him with tight wave sonics to hurt/knock him out. Then he used the neurodislocator on him and it left him limp and Nimrod was shown dragging Jug's limp body out of the ruble and the X-Men jumped in and saved him.

Doom flies around.

Stalemate.

flies around and hits him with the same stuff Nimrod did, cuz he's used it on Hulk.

Doom Wins.

If this is Classic Juggernaut, Doom has nothing. He can just fly around and sputter. Stalemate, unless Juggs gets his hands on Doom. Then Doom will be an ashtray.

Classic Jugs was still taken down by Nimrod...And Doom has demonstrated he has the same capability. Not to mention Doom also has mystical attacks and frequently steals powerful being's power. Doom would work that idiot.

First, Nimrod had a protocol on how to take Jugs down plus 1000's of years advanced tech which dwarfs Doom's.

Second, it didn't knock him out, otherwise why would he have punched him into a building?

Thirdly, the shield would have made that impossible to happen. But for some reason he didn't have it up.

Jug wasn't kayoed, he was just dizzy, he got right back up. No biggy, even jugs has an equilibrium.
Seeing as how he's never been shown to ever once feel pain again and everything that happend in that issue with jugs hasn't happen since, it's likely it was PIS.

Doesn't change the fact that Doom could take him down the same way. The force field may or may not block it, but there's really no way to know.

I actually think Doom could do it by using magic/science blasts and such.

Doom does what he does best..........

Energy ABSORBING !!!!
Although I wonder how he can do such thing to a big chunck of magiccaly empowered meat !!!

Originally posted by Wynndar
Classic Jugs was still taken down by Nimrod...And Doom has demonstrated he has the same capability. Not to mention Doom also has mystical attacks and frequently steals powerful being's power. Doom would work that idiot.

Doom isn't as powerful, as fast, as versatile and as smart as Nimrod. I just can't see how Doom would beat Juggernaut. But I can see however how Juggernaut would beat Doom (he would sit on him).

Originally posted by long pig
And blob was just a normal human fat guy back then, now he's a mutant powerhouse.

Characters grow and change during time, jugs has immeasurable strength, and some points limitless strength.

Not to mention Cain had no idea what his power was while he was under the rubble or how to use his power, hell, he may have not known he could lift so much.

Got scans to refresh our memory?

Where has he ever suggested in a comic he had immeasurable strength?

Or are you just referring to what is said on the Uncanny Xmen site. According to that site, Count Nefaria also has immeasurable strength but he maxed out on a Mountain sized rock. Plus this isn't the only time Jugs has been in a similar situation. It took him a long time to get out of those cement foundations.

Do you not think he may have considered punching the mountain as hard as he could. If he had the strength that every one suggest he has, he would have been out in no time. 🙂

Originally posted by yahman
Where has he ever suggested in a comic he had immeasurable strength?

Or are you just referring to what is said on the Uncanny Xmen site. According to that site, Count Nefaria also has immeasurable strength but he maxed out on a Mountain sized rock. Plus this isn't the only time Jugs has been in a similar situation. It took him a long time to get out of those cement foundations.

Do you not think he may have considered punching the mountain as hard as he could. If he had the strength that every one suggest he has, he would have been out in no time. 🙂

He has unlimited pushing strength, that's a 100% undeniable fact.

So, he could hang with any version of Hulk in a weight lifting contest or strength contest just by switching up his power to the way he lifts or pulls.

There hasn't been a time where Jug was unable to lift anything, ever.

read this, it says there is no known limit to juggs strength. just click on the juggernaut tab and read.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/100.htm

Originally posted by long pig
First, Nimrod had a protocol on how to take Jugs down plus 1000's of years advanced tech which dwarfs Doom's.

Second, it didn't knock him out, otherwise why would he have punched him into a building?

Thirdly, the shield would have made that impossible to happen. But for some reason he didn't have it up.

Jug wasn't kayoed, he was just dizzy, he got right back up. No biggy, even jugs has an equilibrium.
Seeing as how he's never been shown to ever once feel pain again and everything that happend in that issue with jugs hasn't happen since, it's likely it was PIS.

'Pig, I usually respect ur comments. But it really doesnt sound like you've read the comic. Juggernaut was limp and helpless being dragged out of rubble by Nimrod...Totally paralized...And was rescued by the X-Men. Nimrod's tech is not from 1000 years in the future..where did that idea come from!?!?!. Nimrod is created in the early 21st century of an alternate reality. U have no knowledge of Doom's tech. Read FF 350 and 351. Doom's technology and knowledge of time travel are only behind people like Immortus, Nathaniel Richards, and Hyperstorm. If Doom can manipulate Watcher and Celestial technology, he can certainly handle early 21st century tech from an alternate timeline.

Actually I haven't read it in years, but I do remember Nimrod not being able to do it with Jugs helmet on, so he does his trick while it was off.

Remember, Nimrod is class 100, Doom is not.

And Doom's tech isn't as advanced as Nimrod, no matter how far ahead of time Nimrod is.

With Jug's shield up and his helmet on and bolted, it won't happen twice.

Nimrod's tech inst more advanced. Its apparent in their time travel techniques. Are you seriously saying the most impressive tech examples of Nimrod's are more impressive than Doom's? That is utterly ridiculous unless you dont read any FF...then u just dont know. But like I said...usually I respect ur posts cuz u back most things up. But I have to question your downplaying of Doom this time.

I already said Doom could win, but not the same way Nimrod won.