Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
What do you mean the Sun eating lol! No she was no Galactus 🙂
No i was just referring to the fact that the Watcher said she was greater than Galactus in 137, the Shiar and the intergalactic council all agreed she was greater in 135.
Thats good enough. But what does this matter anyway current continuity is all that matters. Good try tho 🙂
so gs, you've not really made a claim as to who wins this. are you saying that if jessie said 'phoenix force, you never were,' that the pf would resist being unmade?
and i agree a little with both you and whirly regarding the original incarnation of the pf. you claim watcher and shiar said p was greater than galactus, but in that what if, galactus himself said that he could destroy her but that it wouldn't be worth the battle for that world. depends on who's word you take. either way, it certainly wasn;t this multiversal force that it has become, and if you claim that it was always intended as such, i'd really be interested in knowing where you learned that.
Originally posted by leonidas
so gs, you've not really made a claim as to who wins this. are you saying that if jessie said 'phoenix force, you never were,' that the pf would resist being unmade?and i agree a little with both you and whirly regarding the original incarnation of the pf. you claim watcher and shiar said p was greater than galactus, but in that what if, galactus himself said that he could destroy her but that it wouldn't be worth the battle for that world. depends on who's word you take. either way, it certainly wasn;t this multiversal force that it has become, and if you claim that it was always intended as such, i'd really be interested in knowing where you learned that.
Heres a post of mine from a previous thread referring to that what if:
Phoenix has fought Galactus on 2 occassions and came out the better in both encounters.
The first occassion was in a what if called What If Phoenix rose again. In it instead of killing herself Jean Grey allowed the Shi'ar to perform a psychic lobotomy on herself removing all parts of her brain which were responsible for her psionic powers. Jean Grey fought against Galactus after the Shi'ar asked for the Xmens aid in defeating the planet eater. Jean Grey had up to that point been powerless after the surgery but as Cyclops was about to be killed by Terrax, her phoenix power emerged again. She quickly dispatched Terrax and then went on to fight Galactus and she stated that because of the lobotomy her powers were at that point relatively limited to the point where she wasnt sure if she could beat Galactus, however she said that her powers increased along a geometric curve every time she used them. Galactus and Phoenix fought and Phoenix got the better of him. While his efforts were shrugged off Phoenix caused him pain. He then tried to forge an alliance with Phoenix claiming them to be equals. Bear in mind that this was a limited Phoenix yet in this state her power equalled Galactus at that point. She went on to destroy his machinery and Galactus left the planet for an easier meal claiming that he couldnt be bothered with the effort and that had he stayed he could eventually dispatch Phoenix. A limited Phoenix versus a hungry Galactus and Phoenix clearly got the better of him and caused him to abandon his meal. Phoenix went on to continue using her power in missions and as she said it increased to its previous levels. She went on to revert to Dark Phoenix and after killing the Xmen went on to destroy the universe "destroying everything in her path". At that point Galactus obviously became a non factor.
Phoenix from the beginning was said to be second only to TOAA. At a time when LT existed and was being written by the same writer. That tells you status of the character. As does the fact that it was she who contained the power of the multiversal reset switch that is the M'kraan crystal.
Rubbish Galactus tells her he could beat her in time, the narrator states this also in the first fight. Galactus accepts her as an equal 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Heres a post of mine from a previous thread referring to that what if:Phoenix has fought Galactus on 2 occassions and came out the better in both encounters.
The first occassion was in a what if called What If Phoenix rose again. In it instead of killing herself Jean Grey allowed the Shi'ar to perform a psychic lobotomy on herself removing all parts of her brain which were responsible for her psionic powers. Jean Grey fought against Galactus after the Shi'ar asked for the Xmens aid in defeating the planet eater. Jean Grey had up to that point been powerless after the surgery but as Cyclops was about to be killed by Terrax, her phoenix power emerged again. She quickly dispatched Terrax and then went on to fight Galactus and she stated that because of the lobotomy her powers were at that point relatively limited to the point where she wasnt sure if she could beat Galactus, however she said that her powers increased along a geometric curve every time she used them. Galactus and Phoenix fought and Phoenix got the better of him. While his efforts were shrugged off Phoenix caused him pain. He then tried to forge an alliance with Phoenix claiming them to be equals. Bear in mind that this was a limited Phoenix yet in this state her power equalled Galactus at that point. She went on to destroy his machinery and Galactus left the planet for an easier meal claiming that he couldnt be bothered with the effort and that had he stayed he could eventually dispatch Phoenix. A limited Phoenix versus a hungry Galactus and Phoenix clearly got the better of him and caused him to abandon his meal. Phoenix went on to continue using her power in missions and as she said it increased to its previous levels. She went on to revert to Dark Phoenix and after killing the Xmen went on to destroy the universe "destroying everything in her path". At that point Galactus obviously became a non factor.
Phoenix from the beginning was said to be second only to TOAA. At a time when LT existed and was being written by the same writer. That tells you status of the character. As does the fact that it was she who contained the power of the multiversal reset switch that is the M'kraan crystal.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Not exactly more like Flash beating Quicksilver🙂
Oh, in the same comic where Wolverine beat Lobo? 🙂
So let me get this striaght,
Jessie has "the word of god" a tool which can appearently beat god.
The Phoenix force is like the word of god, but obviously can't beat god, and if you say it can you're a fanboy.
Interesting how one word of god can beat god but another word of god can't?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, in the same comic where Wolverine beat Lobo? 🙂So let me get this striaght,
Jessie has "the word of god" a tool which can appearently beat god.
The Phoenix force is like the word of god, but obviously can't beat god, and if you say it can you're a fanboy.
Interesting how one word of god can beat god but another word of god can't?
No he has the power of Genesis = to the word of God.
Read John 1:1 God and the Word are One
The Phoenix Force is not the same 🙂
Originally posted by WhirlysplattHe's described as being "god-like".
No he has the power of Genesis = to the word of God.Read John 1:1 God and the Word are One
The Phoenix Force is not the same 🙂
And Genisis being said to be outside of God's power. . .
Your preception of the phoenix force rather. The way that GS describes it it sounds like it is the word, without openly calling it the word.
Originally posted by Creshosk
He's described as being "god-like".And Genisis being said to be outside of God's power. . .
Your preception of the phoenix force rather. The way that GS describes it it sounds like it is the word, without openly calling it the word.
No it says one of these as these are the most common versions🙂
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (WEB)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (ASV)
From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God. (BBE)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (DBY)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (WBS)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (WEY)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; (YLT)
Exactly the way GS describes it today 🙂 Tommorrow it will be something different.
Genesis is equally silly quote me, just more powerful🙂