Hulk vs Titanus..3 punches and Hulk Lost?

we've been over this before, and i thought we'd established that the answer to your question is -- very nearly -- an unequivocal no.

but i suppose i MAY have over-reacted -- after all, i suppose it's possible that the guy in the armor IS klatuu . . .

hulk has survived a full power thanos blast that literally left him a skeleton, but some guy (obviously WAYYYYYY stronger than juggernaut or thor) comes on the scene and beats him in 3 punches?? ridiculous. and if it IS a new villain, this is likely PIS. they get the new villain to 'do the impossible' the 'thing no one else has done' to make him look super-tough. but then, in the end he'll likely get his ass beat down, or hulk will get his revenge.

unless, as i said, this IS some heavy cosmic, (or something REALLY cool that i can't foresee) the fight was despicable.

i think.. this is the same shit of writting like when Juggernaut did the same with Thing.... if its good writing... NOBODY can knock out a strong Hulk with only three punches... NOBODY (perhaps only with the exception of the HULK KILLER HUMANOID http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hulkkill.htm )

dude...anyone else think tyrannus has a striking similarity to my rendition of jp? 🤨

[QUOTE=4827410]Originally posted by Betageuze
i think.. this is the same shit of writting like when Juggernaut did the same with Thing.... if its good writing... NOBODY can knock out a strong Hulk with only three punches... NOBODY (perhaps only with the exception of the HULK KILLER HUMANOID http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hulkkill.htm ) [/QUOT

why is it hard to belive Juggs wooped the thing in 3 punches?

i have no idea....maybe because...

"thing has heart"

🙄

Originally posted by leonidas
we've been over this before, and i thought we'd established that the answer to your question is -- very nearly -- an unequivocal no.

but i suppose i MAY have over-reacted -- after all, i suppose it's possible that the guy in the armor IS klatuu . . .

hulk has survived a full power thanos blast that literally left him a skeleton, but some guy (obviously WAYYYYYY stronger than juggernaut or thor) comes on the scene and beats him in 3 punches?? ridiculous. and if it IS a new villain, this is likely PIS. they get the new villain to 'do the impossible' the 'thing no one else has done' to make him look super-tough. but then, in the end he'll likely get his ass beat down, or hulk will get his revenge.

unless, as i said, this IS some heavy cosmic, (or something REALLY cool that i can't foresee) the fight was despicable.

(obviously WAYYYYYY stronger than juggernaut, thor, or Superman😄)

well honestly a kick to the balls from a guy that strong should take the wind out of anyone's sails...

Originally posted by jinzin
i have no idea....maybe because...

"thing has heart"

🙄

😂 doh

<<(obviously WAYYYYYY stronger than juggernaut, thor, or Superman)>>

😱

johnv89 wrote:

why is it hard to belive Juggs wooped the thing in 3 punches?

... because Thing is the guy, who fought the Hulk MANY times... and often more as only to a standstill or stalemate.... .. it is, in my opinion a little bit absurd, that there are guys who can took down really strong , well experienced fighters and Marvel heroes like Thing ... perhaps... Juggs had a good day ... i dont think he could do it again.... (of course at this day, Thing has had fights against more than 30 guys behind him.. i believe.. )

you cannot put down a guy with only 3 punches, who has nearly beaten down a strong in rage Hulk .. more than once (for example... in the story , when Xandu had to give Hulk a bit of his magic power to beaten down a by then dominating Thing

thing holds his own because he's smarter, more cunning, and a better h2h fighter than hulk could ever hope to be...

thing never tries to literally just slug it out with hulk...when he does he gets pummeled.

"we've been over this before, and i thought we'd established that the answer to your question is -- very nearly -- an unequivocal no."

We actually didnt. Unless you ask how many heroes beated him in a slugfest. With -that- i agree its not many at all. Now, overall characters and villains? The list gets bigger in these 40 years of history.

"hulk has survived a full power thanos blast that literally left him a skeleton, but some guy (obviously WAYYYYYY stronger than juggernaut or thor) comes on the scene and beats him in 3 punches?? ridiculous"

You are obviously overreacting. Marvel can create the characters they want. Before Abomination showed up, there was none who did what he did. Well at least in the mainstream universe. If Marvel wants they can well make this guy stronger than the ones you mentioned. What`s to stop them?

Just enjoy the character instead being pissed when he loses. All characters do.

Btw, dont you mean Hulk surviving Vector`s attack and being almost turned into a skeleton?

"they get the new villain to 'do the impossible' the 'thing no one else has done' to make him look super-tough. but then, in the end he'll likely get his ass beat down, or hulk will get his revenge."

How many did the "impossible" then so far? really, drink a coffe and chill out. 😉

About Hulk defeating him. Sure he can. Some other hero can if the writter wants.

Or they turn him into a Thanos and he will never lose. Thats comics.

<<You are obviously overreacting. Marvel can create the characters they want. Before Abomination showed up, there was none who did what he did. Well at least in the mainstream universe. If Marvel wants they can well make this guy stronger than the ones you mentioned. What`s to stop them?>>

hardly over-reacting. you make it sound as though i'm actually pissed, or something. not at all. doesn't mean i don't think the scene was assinine (very good explanation pending).

and of course they can make someone tougher. they could say some guy off the street is stronger than hercules and thor and hulk combined and provide no rationalization for it, they can make someone tougher than god, too, if they wanted, but that wouldn't be very intelligent either. these kinds of actions shake the belief of readers in the world which marvel has fashioned over their 40 years. it goes against 'the established rules' they themselves have created. just because they CAN, doesn't mean they should. it may even relate to the 'power up' problem going on in marvel. hulk is established, he has history and tradition behind him, and this kind of display flies in the face of what hulk has stood for. i think it's ridiculous, and i'm not even that big of a hulk fan.

<<Just enjoy the character instead being pissed when he loses.>>

truly, i couldn't care less if hulk loses - so long as a rational explanation is given for it to happen. and that explanation MAY well be forthcoming. i HOPE it is.

<<Btw, dont you mean Hulk surviving Vector`s attack and being almost turned into a skeleton?>>

no, i meant thanos.

<<How many did the "impossible" then so far? really, drink a coffe and chill out.>>

huh? not even sure what you're trying to say here . . . one example to prove my point is krona crushing galactus effortlessly in the jla x-over. you find an established character, who's power is clearly well known and respected, and you match him up against some new creation. the new guy wins, and that's supposed to lend him instant respect. problem is, at the same time, it belittles the established charatcer. galactus and darkseid are used as plot devices as much or more than any other characters in comics. this hulk fight MAY be another such contrivance.

<<About Hulk defeating him. Sure he can. Some other hero can if the writter wants. >>

so then which depiction is labelled PIS/CIS?

Damn, Hulk got his ass kicked...

"thing holds his own because he's smarter, more cunning, and a better h2h fighter than hulk could ever hope to be..."

That explains why the Thing gets his ass kicked practically everytime he's up against the Hulk without some external factor to help him.

"hardly over-reacting. you make it sound as though i'm actually pissed, or something. not at all. doesn't mean i don't think the scene was assinine (very good explanation pending).
and of course they can make someone tougher. they could say some guy off the street is stronger than hercules and thor and hulk combined and provide no rationalization for it"

What explanation is needed? He was stronger and won. Others did the same.

What explanation was needed when Abomination did the very same in his first appearance. Only that we was stronger.

"it goes against 'the established rules' they themselves have created."

Leonidas, there is no rule that says Hulk cant lose a slugfest. It happened before. It will happen again. He gets ko and defetead like anyone else.

The same way Thor`s big game its energy attacks and hes heavy at it, doesnt mean he wins every and all figths on that nature. He doesnt. And wont in the future.

"huh? not even sure what you're trying to say here . . . one example to prove my point is krona crushing galactus effortlessly in the jla x-over. you find an established character, who's power is clearly well known and respected, and you match him up against some new creation"

I dont disagree to a point. But we all know that when a character its introduced, another will get the eventual shaft. Its bad but also good, since the characters need to evolve and so the "universe" so to speak.

As much as that match was bad for some, Krona (who btw was already an existante character at DC) was written with a power level above Galactus.

"huh? not even sure what you're trying to say here"

I asked, how many overall characters (villains and heroes ) defetaed Hulk so far in a slugfest. Its not impossible.

Even being more of a Hulks game.

"so then which depiction is labelled PIS/CIS?"

Depends. We will wait and see how this turns out. It happened before the Surfer defeating a cosmic villain that slugged it out with Hulk, Thor, Thing and others and that he won. Its not something particullary inovating.

Yeah, Krona is an essential character in DC, he created the end of time, by looking at the hand that created the universe, and trying to see what was before it. Before that, there was no end to time, it was forever moving.. He WAS one of the Guardians of OA, and one of the oldest at that, though I think Ganthet is the oldest and most powerful of them. He's also the one that is believed to have released evilness and entropy into the universe with previously said act. Before that, it was supposedly nearly perfect.

In JLA/Avengers, they took from this idea, he went to Marvel to try to get the answer because he couldn't in DC continuum.

Grammaton, when considering the full history of THing and Hulk fights your assesment is pretty off. Hulk and Thing's fights have mostly ended in some kind of ring out or draw. The encounters where Thing was battered, that come to mind are Marvel Fanfare and Marvel Two in One. Marvel two in one also depicted that Thing could barely lift a five ton barbell. Thing beat the hell out of the Hulk in FF#320. And he also beat him in Hard knocks so bad that he reverted back to Banner.

The problem with this Titanus fight is that considering the depiction of the modern pseudo savage Hulk, simply hitting the Hulk with an amazing force should neither knock him out or revert him to Banner. The Hulk has been knocked out of sight by people severely stronger than him at the time...yet he was not KO'd nor did he revert to Banner. I have no argument that people can knock out the Hulk. Madman knocked him out with one punch. I'm ok with the way this writer decided to illustrate this fight; Im sure that in Hulk destruction, Hulk will be portrayed as much more Savage and capable of giving and recieving much more damage than this Titanus guy has displayed. As usual, writers tend to have dramatically different portrayals of the Hulk.

LMAO I am reading hard knocks at the moment - ERRR where did Thing beat Hulk please? If your going to sit here and actually debate with me who is more likely to win out of Thing or the Hulk - you really ought to be reading more comics mate.

<<As much as that match was bad for some, Krona (who btw was already an existante character at DC) was written with a power level above Galactus.>>

i know who krona was, doesn't mean he was previously above galactus. but that's a different debate.

<<Leonidas, there is no rule that says Hulk cant lose a slugfest. It happened before. It will happen again. He gets ko and defetead like anyone else.>>

i said that i don't care if he gets beat up - only that there is a good explanation for it. and there ARE established rules, loads of them. unwritten perhaps, but there nonetheless. one of the rules is 'hulk is the strongest one there is.' why else would the beating have such an impact? it goes against established convention, ie norms and 'rules'.

<<I asked, how many overall characters (villains and heroes ) defetaed Hulk so far in a slugfest. Its not impossible.
Even being more of a Hulks game. >>

almost zero. we discussed that already. and almost certainly not one (probably in all of marvel comic history) with the ease with which this character beat him.

<<Depends. We will wait and see how this turns out. It happened before the Surfer defeating a cosmic villain that slugged it out with Hulk, Thor, Thing and others and that he won. Its not something particullary inovating.>>

i know it's not innovative -- that's basically my point. MANY characters burst onto the scene but then never again achieve what they initially achieved. it's why i said often times this type of display gets labelled CIS/PIS. will this one get that label? not sure yet, but i hope there is a good reason for what happened.