lol...
My point is that they're NOT experts in the field... no moreso than anyone else who watches movies. Just because they do it for a living doesn't make their opinions any more valid than anyone elses. I'm not saying I don't respect critics' opinions, I'm just saying that just Roger Ebert saying a movie is great doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by chinabing
Another reason people are too hard on the prequels: They know the outcome of the movies. Yep, Anakin goes bad. That point removes an enormous amount of drama from the movie experience. I don't know a lot of movies where I bother to go to them when I already know the outcome. In the prequels, we do. It would be like seeing Lotr 3, then watching eps 1 and 2. No one's ever done prequels on the scale of the Star Wars prequels. So given that they're prequels, I'm giving them a lot of slack. And they're still a triumph of moviemaking.
Nope. The reason the prequels exist is because people wanted to see the story of Vader. Lucas didn't do the job, and got one of the 3 movies he did half-right, with the other two being utter dissapointment.
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Nope. The reason the prequels exist is because people wanted to see the story of Vader. Lucas didn't do the job, and got one of the 3 movies he did half-right, with the other two being utter dissapointment.
Good point Soopafly! That IS the only reason they exist. Lucas didn't do the job?--I guess so. I think the podrace was a waste of 30 minutes, but I'd still rather watch that than NASCAR.....
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Nope. The reason the prequels exist is because people wanted to see the story of Vader. Lucas didn't do the job, and got one of the 3 movies he did half-right, with the other two being utter dissapointment.
Don't be ridiculous. Eps I and II are no where near disappointments, they are triumphs. Critics found them excellent to good; Ep's I & III was/will be the most popular movie of their respective years, and Ep II was #2.
The only reasons "Empire" and "Jedi" exist is because "Star Wars" made it popular enough so that Lucas could finish that trilogy. There are 6 parts, and he started in the middle, that's all. That's why the prequels were made, to finish the story.
For example, my girlfriend hadn't seen the original trilogy at all, and only saw Ep I when everyone did in '99. She didn't know anything about Darth Vader except what she learned in pop culture that he was some baddie, but since she didn't care a whit about Star Wars, it remained off her radar. She loved Ep. I. I met her before she saw Ep II and told her to never see the rest of the Star Wars movies unless she sees them in order, just to pull off a rare experiment. So she did; she saw Ep. II and loved that too. Of course I kept my mouth shut about what I knew.
So now she's seen Ep. III, loved it. Then we spend 3 weekends watching Eps IV, V and VI in succession, one per weekend. It was thrilling watching her anticipation toward the next movie, (which was nothing like waiting 3 years in the 1980s!) She couldn't wait for the next flick! Her response to the full trilogy now that she's seen it all? She loves each and every episode. The texture is so rich, full and distinct in each one, she said. Sure "Empire's" Luke parentage revelation was not a diabolical twist for her, but she still identified with Luke, who wouldn't? But she loves 'em all, and so do I.
Originally posted by chinabing
[B]Don't be ridiculous. Eps I and II are no where near disappointments, they are triumphs. Critics found them excellent to good; Ep's I & III was/will be the most popular movie of their respective years, and Ep II was #2.
Not a chance...
The only reasons "Empire" and "Jedi" exist is because "Star Wars" made it popular enough so that Lucas could finish that trilogy. There are 6 parts, and he started in the middle, that's all. That's why the prequels were made, to finish the story.
To finish a story, sure, he just didnt do it well...
For example, my girlfriend hadn't seen the original trilogy at all, and only saw Ep I when everyone did in '99. She didn't know anything about Darth Vader except what she learned in pop culture that he was some baddie, but since she didn't care a whit about Star Wars, it remained off her radar. She loved Ep. I. I met her before she saw Ep II and told her to never see the rest of the Star Wars movies unless she sees them in order, just to pull off a rare experiment. So she did; she saw Ep. II and loved that too. Of course I kept my mouth shut about what I knew.
Sorry but your girlfriend has no taste... 😛
To finish a story, sure, he just didnt do it well...
Sorry but your girlfriend has no taste... 😛 [/QUOTE]
She's doin' alright for hersef! 😆
Originally posted by chinabing
He did it just fine. Don't hate the prequels because Anakin's a whiny guy who lost a promotion and went postal. There's much more to it. I absolutely loved Eps I, II and III. If you looking for perfection, you won't find it anywhere.[B]Sorry but your girlfriend has no taste... 😛
She's doin' alright for hersef! 😆 [/B]
i hate most of the prequels bar a few scenes... poor direction, planning and dialogue throughout imo... my hatred for anakin is on a much deeper level... 😛
Originally posted by amity75
In ten years time people will rightly regard TPM as a classic. I don't think the same can be said for AOTC though, it just kinda dragged. When I watch it on DVD there are maybe onle 6 or 7 chapters that I watch.
what about tpm (bar the duel) would you say would have it considered a classic?
Originally posted by pr1983
what about tpm (bar the duel) would you say would have it considered a classic?
The fact that for the first time we get to see what the pre-Empire galaxy was like. The Old Republic, the Jedi, the Sith revealing themselves, the Gungan/Droid battle, the fact that it was highly antipicpated and blew box-office competition outta the water.
Originally posted by amity75
The duel certainly added to the grandeur of the thing but I really thought TPM was a fantastic film. Now the Prequel trilogy is complete we can all relax and view and enjoy the films without wondering/worrying about the quality of the next one.
fair enough... 🙂
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
The fact that for the first time we get to see what the pre-Empire galaxy was like. The Old Republic, the Jedi, the Sith revealing themselves, the Gungan/Droid battle, the fact that it was highly antipicpated and blew box-office competition outta the water.
box office doesnt really mean much, look at titanic... 😛
the galaxy, jedi and sith fair enough, but they could have been shown better couldnt they?
the gungan driod battle imo wasnt altogether very special...
aniticipation doesnt make it a great movie...
Originally posted by pr1983
the galaxy, jedi and sith fair enough, but they could have been shown better couldnt they?
No, It was done perfectly. The Jedi Order was a government agency located in it's govt's captital that dispatched agents to resolve conflicts and settle disputes. The Sith were portrayed as a secret criminal organization with a deep grudge against the Jedi, who made a deal with (and of coarse ended up screwing) the greedy and cowardly leaders of a large and powerful corporation as part of the first step in their greater scheme to erradicate that very organization (the Jedi Order). It was done good and pretty realistic if ya ask me. How would you have done it?