that's not a fair assessment...darksied has a weapon/power that can literally vaporize apocalypse of the face of his existance...if it was a physical matchup however, darksied probably wouldn't fair so hot considering in h2h he doesn't have a whole lot of variety to offer where as apocalypse does..
it's the shadowcat/wolverine-rule of thumb all over again...
let me ask u apoc fans something.do u think apoc is stronger and better than Darkseid?
if not than sups is going to kill him, if he is close to darkseids lvl it will be a battle but sups with come out with s hard and struggle win dont u think
Darkseid isn't Apocalypse, they have completely different abilities. I'm finding it very hard to grasp what you are getting at Geist.
Last time I checked Darkseid had higher echelon super human strength and endurance, and the Omega Effect. He wasn't a techno organic metamorph with Celestial armor, as well as higher echelon super human strength and endurance.
I'm not an Apoc fan, I just tend to lean towards logical outcomes, even if it means a character I like loses.
In this instance, Superman is outmatched due to his, in this case, limited attack options. He's not a high level telekinetic, electromagnetic, or matter manipulator, and he's not telepathic. What Superman does bring to the Table are all things that Apocalypse has no problems contending with: physical assaults.
On the flip side, it's been shown that Supes has a limit to the physical punishment he can take, as proven by Doomsday; a being Apocalypse could match blow for blow if he chose to take the physical route and used his brain and abilities. Apocalypse, at will, can increase his strength and density with no known upper limit, or augment the way his body absorbs impacts and energy, making all of Supes attacks a mute point.
Basically, you can't physically harm Apocalypse, he has complete control of his atomic structure, from density to substance to size to function. He's just to versatile for someone who realies on physical attacks to score a victory on him, which is why he'd kick Hulk's ass even worse than he'd do Supes. At least Supes can fly and has ranged attacks like heat vision/super breath. Downside is that those attacks still have no real effect on Apocalypse either.
Ripping him in half with adverse polarities at an atomic level, breaking down his molecular cohesion through high end telekinesis, or shattering his essense/astral form through psionic manipulation while he's attempting to procure a new host body is a different story.
It's a matter of abilities, not just physical strength.
Originally posted by long pig
I wouldn't be suprised if Apocs blasts could counter the O-Beams, seeing as Superman's did.
He would counter it.
Originally posted by long pig
Darkseid is no longer an accomplishment to be proud of, Superman can take him, Orion can take him, Thor could, WW could, Hercules could, Hulk could.Basically anyone who is strong.
Now, those you mentined would all take Darkseid now, Apocalypse would crush him.
Due to the restraints of supermans powers and the way apoc must be beaten, superman would not win this, Superman is very strong, but literally incapable of defeating apoc
Think of a tank and helicopter, Sure, they are both very powerful, but a helicopter would have an advantage over the tank because it can simply fly above the cannons field of vision
Superman could use his Kryptonian Torqasm Vo or whatever and attack meta-metaphysically.
And saying Apoc is anywhere on Superman's level physically is a joke. If he was clobbering like Superman, it would be much harder for people to take him down. And he'd likely kill half of whatever teams approached him at least.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman could use his Kryptonian Torqasm Vo or whatever and attack meta-metaphysically.And saying Apoc is anywhere on Superman's level physically is a joke. If he was clobbering like Superman, it would be much harder for people to take him down. And he'd likely kill half of whatever teams approached him at least.
are you not aware apoc casually nearly choked hulk out?
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OK Apoc seems like a weaker version of Cyborg Superman. Superman beat him by placing his hand thru his body (quite easily I might add) and then proceeded to vibrate his body at immense speeds, therefore attacking Cyborg Superman at a molecular level. And I also believe that his heat vision has become so powerful that its just below the omega effect in destructive potency. I'm pretty sure a full blast of this would attack Apoc at a molecular level. And although it isn't cannon as such, Magneto had no problems killing Apocalypse with a physical attack.
Mean while how exactly is Apoc supposed to hurt Superman. His strength is not even rated a Level 7 any more. This means he is weaker than Abomination, and we saw what happened to him when he had to fight 'a really strong' character. ALthough APoc can create a variety of weapons, none have the power to cause superman more than meagre annoyance. If you can prove me wrong, please do.